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Not seeing the military records for John but here is the record for Hugh Doyle showing on those census records.


First name(s) Hugh
Last name Doyle
Age 18
Birth year 1899
Birth town Hebburn
Birth county Durham
Birth country England
Service number 5/42663
Regiment Training Reserve
Unit / Battalion 80th Battalion
Year 1917
Residence county Durham
Residence country England
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Archive The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
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Looking at the NOK, he names his mother Annie so it would seem his father Thomas has died. The record is dated 1915.

Spend £7.50 and buy 30 credits for Scotlandspeople and you can check out these births and see if any of these were born on the correct July date (even if the year is out, it may be your John.




Surname Forename Gender Year Ref RD Name Image View

DOYLE
JOHN
M
1891
282/5 427
Lochee
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DOYLE
JOHN
M
1892
282/5 366
Lochee
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DOYLE
JOHN
M
1897
282/5 308
Lochee
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DOYLE
JOHN
M
1896
282/5 281
Lochee
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First name(s) Ann
Last name McConnigal
Sex Female
Birth year 1862
Birth date 05 Feb 1862
Baptism year 1862
Baptism date 23 Feb 1862
Denomination Roman Catholic
Baptism place Port Glasgow
Parish St John
Diocese Paisley
County Renfrewshire
Country Scotland
Father's first name(s) Hugh
Father's last name McConnigal
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name Murry
Volume 01
Archive The Scottish Catholic Archives
Reference MP/9
Year range 1846-1939
Section 01
Sub section 02
Record set Scotland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland
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Spouse Surname Spouse Forename Year Ref RD Name Image View
DOYLE
THOMAS
MCGUNNIGAL
ANN
1883
282/5 121
Lochee

Above family in 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Liff Road, Liff, Lochee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

Thomas Doyle Head Married Male 30 1861 Ireland Dyer
Ann Doyle Wife Married Female 28 1863 Port Glasgow, Renfrewshire, Scotland Jute Spinner
Susan Doyle Daughter - Female 4 1887 Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland -
Thomas Doyle Son - Male 2 1889 Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland -
George Doyle Son - Male 0 1891 Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland -
Andrew Doyle Brother Unmarried Male 18 1873 Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Dyer
Ellen Donley Sister-In-Law Unmarried Female 35 1856 Renfrewshire, Scotland Jute Weaver

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11 Albert St Hebburn, Hebburn, Durham, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Thomas Doyle Head Married Male 49 1862 Arvagh Co Caran Resident Bootmaker And Repairer xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Ann Doyle Wife Married Female 47 1864 Fort Glagasgow Lanark Resident -
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Susan Doyle Daughter Single Female 24 1887 Lochee Forfar Resident Barmaid
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Thomas Doyle Son Single Male 22 1889 Lochee Forfar Resident Apprentice Ship Palter
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George Doyle Son Single Male 20 1891 Lochee Forfar Resident Planer Heater
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John Doyle Son Single Male 18 1893 Lochee Forfar Resident River Heater
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Hannah Doyle Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Hebburn Durham Resident Assisant
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Hugh Doyle Son Single Male 13 1898 Hebburn Durham At School
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James Doyle Son Single Male 11 1900 Hebburn Durham At School
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Annie Doyle Daughter Single Female 6 1905 Hebburn Durham At School

Lucy M Doyle on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Doyle Household (4 People) 14a Harrington Road , Croydon C.B., Surrey, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Lucy M Doyle 25 Aug 1892 Female Unpaid Home Duties Married 9 2
John T Doyle 19 Jul 1895 Male Electrician Telephonist Married 9 1
Alfred J Doyle 16 Jul 1922 Male Electrician Telephonist Single 9 3

Still struggling with this one if anyone with good Irish knowledge can help :)

I'm still searching for birth info for this so I can order an irish birth certificate.

Up to date details below:

JOHN THOMAS DOYLE
Born 14 JULY 1895 Ireland
Marriaged to Lucy Friend 1920
Death 11 AUG 1954 Croydon

Wedding certificate shows father as THOMAS DOYLE (deceased) Boot & shoe seller

I'm looking for more birth details so I can order a birth certificate and find the details of his mother and more info on THOMAS.

Any additional help would be great!

Thanks All & sorry for reposting - need to get to the bottom of this one.

Amy....It may be worthwhile asking someone..(unless you have access yourself) to search Army Records from WW1 they are on Ancestry I believe...however they are incomplete....

You did not need a passport for the time in question so would not find anything there...

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#birthPlaceLoc1=Ireland&surname=doyle&p=recordResults&givenName=john&searchType=exact&birthYear=1895&birthPlaceId=1927084

This is where I got all the information from above, it will take you straight to names of John doyles born 1895 in ireland, its a GRO index click on a name and it will give you the information you will need. I picked out names that were relevant to the date of birth you gave, not sure how long the time limit was for registration.

I hope this helps

Nicola :-)

Hi Amy, they have all the GRO that you need I got it from the lds pilot one sec and will get it for you

Hi all, thank you for your help. Below is all the info i have:

Marriage Certificate: John Doyle married Lucy May friend 1920 Croydon. Age 24. Father - Thomas Doyle boot/shoe seller (deceased)

Death entry:
Name: John T Doyle
Birth Date: abt 1895
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1954
Age at Death: 59
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 102

Info from Grandmother: DOB 14/07/1895 Ireland. Joined British Army. Married 1920 to non catholic so family disowned him.

My assumptions: Searched passport applications (up to 1903) but couldn't find one so assumed he still lived in Ireland in 1901. Also assumed he only came over at the time of joining the army so his family still lived in Ireland.
Searched UK census 1901 and 1911 for Thomas and John and no results appear.

Not much to go on really! :-)

Hi Amy, It is most unlikely that you will find a birth cert as the Custom House in Dublin where all records were stored was burned down in the 1900's with the loss of the majority of the paperwork due to fire and water damage. However if you have narrowed it down through the census records and know the area's it is relatively easy to access the church records for those areas. Doyle was predominantly Cork/Tipperary name so it might be a good idea to start with those counties. Did they give parents names/ occupations on marriage cert? If there was any other bit of information, no matter how small, it makes it easier to track at this side of the water. Good luck with your search.

Amy...A word of caution before you go buying Certs.

You say you have narrowed it down through the Irish Census...

1) Thomas Dolye may have been deceased by 1901 therefore would not be on the Census as head of family...

2) Have you looked for a possible Doyle family on the UK Census...just because John was born in Ireland dont assume the family was still there after his birth...

Thanks for the above, do they show middlde names? I think his middle name was thomas.
I tried to order a cert but you need loads of info before it will submit. What other info do you have?
Thank you all for your help, feel like we have nearly cracked it!

There are other bits of information you will need to order certs, I will add them to them above if you want me too.

:-)

There is another one here

John Doyle July 1895/September 1895 - Wexford Registration District (Wexford Ireland)

Ireland Civil Registration indexes 1845 -1958

John Doyle July 1895/September 1895 - Naas Registration District (Kildare or Wicklow, Ireland)

John Doyle July 1895/September 1895 - Mountmellick Registration District (Laois or Offaly, Ireland)

John Doyle July 1895/September 1895 - Dublin South Registration District ?Dublin, Ireland)

Looking back on this thread to what you said earlier about the census records for ireland, can you remember the places of birth for the 3 you narrowed down?