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can someone please help me find a cenus form for william allen born about 1871 and his father name is john allen but he died before 1910 please im realli stuck x

hi can anyone tell me how i can find out what religon someone is ?

well if i found out who john married he would have his dad name on the cery but i cant find a john allen im not sure what william mum is called either as there married would be before 1910 can any one help me find william cert i was also told that william was married 3 times when he married emma moss he was 39 and a widower and when emma moss died he married agian if anyone can help me find his 1st and last married his birth and his death i would appreacate it on his cenus form for 1911 he said totthem he was born about 1885ish

Rebecca, I'm not suggesting that Joseph Hartley was his father...for whatever reason this William was away from his parents, perhaps he was an orphan and boarded out by the parish.

I've found another possibilty in 1881 but he, too, was not with his parents:
12 Stanley Grove, Tottenham
George Allen marr 55yrs Gardener b Bayford, Middlesex (actually it's Herts)
Mary A Allen wife 58yrs b Bayford, Middlesex
William Allen grandson 9yrs b Tottenham

BUT, I've tracked George and Mary back to 1861 and they did not have a son called John living with them.

i dont think that him because his dad was called john allen yeah that might be where canada came from but not too sure

????
1881 census

RG 11 piece 1385 fol 91 pg 7

Address: 114 Tewkesbury Road, Tottenham

Joseph Hartley head married 31yrs Boot & shoe maker, b Sudbury,Suffolk
Mary Hartley wife 32 yrs Artist's labourer b Tickhill, Yorkshire
George Sheldrake boarder 16yrs b Sudbury, Suffolk
William Allen boarder 7yrs b London, Middlesex

Hello everyone

According to Findmypast no William James Allen registered in Edmonton, Middlesex between 1872-74. There was, however, a James William:

EDMONTON 1872 Jun qr Vol 3a pg 202

I also checked William Allen - nothing in Edmonton. I wonder if this is how Canada crept in....

BWs
KIm

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William Allen
Birth Date: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1934
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 80

Is this Emma Louisa's death, and do you know when and where William died?
Thanks
Emma L Allen
Birth Date: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1957
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 399

Emma, the only way to be 100% sure you've got the right people is to buy the marriage and/or birth certificates of the people you know for definite to be your direct ancestors, i.e. your grandparent.

Do not base your research on family knowledge - sadly it's not always reliable as stories get distorted over time.

Merrily chasing James Beer back in time, but not seeing any connection with Allen or Moss.

Rebecca, on the marriage cert was William a carpenter?

Loads of Mr Buckinghams marrying an Emma - but none with the surname Allen or Moss.

Anyone else got any ideas?

Name: CHAMBERLAIN, William Thomas
Registration District: Help Kingston
County: Surrey
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 2A
Page No: Help 749

He married Emma Buckingham.

So -

Marriages Sep 1883 (>99%)
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BEER James Hendon 3a 230
BUCKINGHAM Emma Hendon 3a 230

AND

1881 England Census
about Emma Buckingham Name: Emma Buckingham
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 37 Tavistock Pl
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: General Servant

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court
ED, institution, or vessel: 14a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 189
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Kerr 58
Elizabeth Andrews 83
Charlotte Kerr 32
Isabella E. Kerr 30
Elizabeth M. Kerr 27
Anne S.J. Kerr 25
Harriet R. Kerr 22
Robert H. Kerr 20
Edwin Thos. Kerr 17
Henry K. Kerr 12
Emma Buckingham 28 Married. Born Birmingham.
Hannah Durant 25
Elizabeth Laidle 34

Rebecca, we can't cope with too many queries at once. I'm hunting for Emma Louisa Moss.

There are three possible births for William Allen after 1911. Somebody might find some baptisms to determine which one is your Billy.

The Emma Beer above (EDIT on page 1) is born Birmingham.

Is this her in 1911?

CHAMBERLAIN, William Thomas Head Married M 29 1882 Smith Sticker Notting Hill London VIEW
CHAMBERLAIN, Emma Wife Married
10 years F 35 1876 Marylebone London VIEW
CHAMBERLAIN, Ruby Victoria May Daughter F 9 1902 Wimbledon VIEW
CHAMBERLAIN, Ivy Rose Daughter F 8 1903 Wimbledon VIEW
CHAMBERLAIN, Doris Cecilia Emma Daughter F 5 1906 Wimbledon VIEW
BEER, Emma Mother In Law Widow F 58 1853 Birmingham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3483 Reference:
RG14PN3483 RG78PN130 RD40 SD1 ED21 SN238

Registration District:
Kingston Sub District:
Wimbledon Enumeration District:
21 Parish:
Wimbledon

Address:
11 Kingston Road Wimbledon SW County:
Surrey

Could Emma be the aunt of little Emma Louisa? Also with a daughter called Emma.

hi can anyone help me find the birth of william allen jr he was also known as billy he was born after ruby (1911) not sure how much younger but mother madien name is moss

so how will i ever know if ive got the right person lol

ok but she was 22 so she would have been 23 in 1911

Rebecca, it's most likely the ages on the marriage certificate that are wrong.

William may well have chopped a few years off his age for the marriage to hide the fact he was quite a bit older than Emma. That sort of thing frequently happened.