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Helen did you say you have the birth cert of Grace May Phillips with mother Maud? What year was she born please?

Hi Helen,

I was hoping to find a marriage on Ancestry for 1 of the children with the address of Cherry Garden Street. sadly I haven't found 1.

I'm inclined to think that Margaret may have put Maud on that birth certificate as a "red herring".

Ok, on Margaret Jane's marriage certificate does she state her father deceased and an occupation for him? Also do the witnesses help at all?

Could some please look at the 1911 census for;

HOUSEHOLD PHILLIPS DORORTHY F 1898 13 St Pancras London

think she is with some siblings and mother Jessie, thank you.

I am just wondering about this????????

No father named and the address is 41 Jeffreys Road but there are loads of baptisms the same day with different names and the same address. Workhouse?? or what??

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Grace May Phillips
Name: Grace May Phillips
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1904
Baptism Date: 18 May 1904 (smudged should read 13th)
Mother's name: Maud Phillips ( NO OCCUPATION)
Parish or Poor Law Union: South Lambeth All Saints
Borough: Lambeth

1911 census for the family

married 38 years, 12 children to marriage, 3 had died, 9 still alive in 1911

Address: 27 Doynton Street St Pancras

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

PHILLIPS, Jessie Head Widow F 57 1854 Aberdeen Scotland
PHILLIPS, Florence Daughter Single F 21 1890 Machinist Stepney London
PHILLIPS, James Son Single M 18 1893 Porter Drapers Clapton London
PHILLIPS, Dororthy Daughter Single F 13 1898 Bloomsbury London

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Margaret Phillips Name: Margaret Phillips
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1884
Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1884
Father's name: George Phillips
Mother's name: Jessie Phillips
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Born 20th July 1884

Thank you tempest. Seems that Margaret has left home........ so we need to try and see where she is.

Looks like Helens time is up and she'll be back on Wednesday.

Hopefully we'll be able to add more info for her.

39, 41 and 43 Jeffreys Road is listed as a maternity hospital on 1911 census

Births Mar 1892 (>99%)
Phillips Margaret Jane St. Olave 1d 292

There is a daughter in 1911:
HOUSEHOLD PHILLIPS MARGARET F 1892 19 St Olave (Bermondsey) London

Maybe someone can post the transcription with address

PHILLIPS, George Head Married M 56 1855 Gas Stoker St Nicholus Kent
PHILLIPS, Elizabeth Wife Married 30 years F 55 1856 Ramsgate Kent
PHILLIPS, Margaret Daughter Single F 19 1892 Errand Girl London Rotherhithe
PHILLIPS, Frances Daughter F 14 1897 London Rotherhithe

RG number: RG14 Piece: 1929 Reference: RG14PN1929 RG78PN68 RD24 SD3 ED16 SN112

Registration District: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Sub District: Rotherhithe
Enumeration District: 16
Parish: Bermondsey

Address: 20 Eugenia Road Rotherhithe County: London

Dear everybody,
I am at the library so again I have little time but I want to say how much I appreciate all your help and every bit of information that you find out. I will try my best to answer as many of your questions as I can and if I can't I will look at my files at home and post again as soon as I am able, which will be in a few days.

On Margaret Janes Phillips Marriage certificate (1914 Bermondsey) her father is given as George Phillips Gas Stoker. She is aged 32 years (1882). Her witmness is E.E. Dewberry and P.L. Cooper. Her occupation is finisher of embroidery (1914). Her husband is James Miller age 36 engineers labourer father charles miller whitesmith deceased. I believe that i have found him and his family on the censuses as his father is always a whitesmith! I will get their addresses as soon as i can. They were living at 26 monarch buildings bermondsey at the time of their marriage.

I got the birth certificate for Margaret Jane Phillips in 1884 (shadwell) father george phillips tinman and Jessie Phillips nee Hood. This ties in with the census information that kind GU members have found above. However as Margarets marriage certificate states that her fathers occupation is gas stoker I am not convienced that i have got the correct birth or census information for my Margaret. But the margaret Phillips with george (gas stoker) and elizabeth (above 13th aug 20.48) was born in 1892 not 1882, so can this be the correct family? They were living at 487 cable / Gable street shadwell Middlesex.

When Margaret Jane and James miller's daughter Ellen Margaret Miller got married in 1937 her witnesses were James Miller and Grace Phillips (brother and 1/2 sister). She was living at 30 storks rd bermondsey. Jack Phillips gave her away as her father James Miller was deceased but I do not know who jack Phillips was.

Ellen margaret miller looked after her younger siblings charles and joseph (b 1923 and 1927) as her mother Margaret Jane Miller nee Phillips was 'mad' but I do not have any more information on when she died or what her illness really was i.e. was she in an insitution? I also do not know when James Miller died although it must have been after 1927 (last child was born) and 1937 when Ellen got married. Family rumour has him being run over by a tram but who knows!

I hope to continue to find out more about Margaret Jane Phillips. I am intrigued by the census information regarding Margaret born 1892 with a father named george Phillips gas stoker and if they are connected to my family. It seems strange that George's occupation fits but it definately says Margaret Jane Phillips aged 32 yr not 22 on her marriage certificate so I don't think that this could be my Margaret phillips. But any ideas would be welcome.

I think that is all I know. Thank you once again for all your help.
Helen