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Wonder if anybody can solve this mystery for me.
I need to buy the actual birth cert for Lilburn Roland Charles Hamber
Dob 3 Feb 1862 - Wandsworth, London, Surrey, England
DoBapt 18 Jun 1862 - Saint Anne Wandsworth
Parents Frederick Marsh Hamber & Frances Jane Peacock

I also can't find him on the 1911 Census

I have a copy of the family bible which lists all the DOB & bap of his siblings.

I was looking up his older brother & sister & but they likewise have no birth record entry
Eustace Gomes Werge Hamber DOB 5 Mar 1857 Wandsworth, London, Surrey
Aldyth Marion Bray Hamber DOB 24 Feb 1860 Wandsworth, London, Surrey
& younger brothers
Lancelot Cecil Bray Hamber DOB 16 Feb 1864 - Kensington, London
Claud Sydney Fardell Hamber DOB 22 Dec 1868 - Kensington, London

Thanks

The death cert is viewable on a tree on ancestry

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Lilburne Charles Rowland Hamber
Name: Lilburne Charles Rowland Hamber
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1862
Baptism Date: 18 Jul 1862
Father's name: Frederick Marsh Hamber solicitor
Mother's name: Frances Jane Sarah Hamber
Parish or Poor Law Union: Wandsworth St Anne
Borough: Wandsworth

since his father was a solicitor hre would know it was not compulsory to register a birth then

Deaths Jun 1893 (>99%)
Hamber Lilburn Roland C 31 Hastings 2b 14



Lilburn Roland Charles Hamber
England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
burial: 09 May 1893 —Herne, Kent, England
record title: England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
name: Lilburn Roland Charles Hamber
gender: Male
burial date: 09 May 1893
burial place: Herne, Kent, England
indexing project (batch) number: I00357-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1836275

Sorry for not replying sooner I fell asleep.

I have all the other certs & census record (except 1911)about his life

I never thought about him not being register. Just the opposite I presumed that as his father was a solicitor the family would have been regististered.

As most of his siblings travelled overseas what kind of documentation back then would they have used as evidence to prove their age.

:-S

1871 Cesus:

Address Edith Villas
Parish Fulham
District Kensington, Fulham
Administrative County London, Middlesex
Householder 1
Name Frederick Hamber
Age 40
Estimated Year of Birth 1831
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex
Householder 2
Name Frances Hamber
Age 38
Estimated Year of Birth 1833
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place County Durham
Birth County County Durham
Householder 3
Name Frederick Hamber
Age 17
Estimated Year of Birth 1854
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation
Birth Place Surrey
Birth County Surrey
Householder 4
Name Francis Hamber
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1856
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Surrey
Birth County Surrey
Householder 5
Name Lilburne Hamber
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1862
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Surrey
Birth County Surrey
Householder 6
Name Lanatol Hamber
Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1864
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex
Householder 7
Name Claude Hamber
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1869
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Middlesex
Householder 8
Name Emma Mouton
Age 32
Estimated Year of Birth 1839
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation
Birth Place Germany
Birth County Germany
Householder 9
Name Elizabeth Tippon
Age 63
Estimated Year of Birth 1808
Relationship to Head of Household Visitor
Occupation
Birth Place Surrey
Birth County Surrey

1861 Census:

Address 65, Marine Parade
Parish Brighton
District Brighton, Kemp Town
Administrative County Sussex
Householder 1
Name Thomas Bromley
Age 45
Estimated Year of Birth 1816
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Incumbent Of St Mary Leamington
Birth Place Stafford
Birth County Staffordshire
Householder 2
Name Jane Bromley
Age 45
Estimated Year of Birth 1816
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Liverpool
Birth County Lancashire
Householder 3
Name Alfred Bromley
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1851
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Wolverhampton
Birth County Staffordshire
Householder 4
Name Annie Smelt
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1831
Relationship to Head of Household Visitor
Occupation
Birth Place Slindon
Birth County Sussex
Householder 5
Name Elizabeth Watts
Age 23
Estimated Year of Birth 1838
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation House Servant
Birth Place Warwick
Birth County Warwickshire
Householder 6
Name Frederick Hamber
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1831
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Solicitor
Birth Place Islington
Birth County Middlesex
Householder 7
Name Frances Hamber
Age 28
Estimated Year of Birth 1833
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Gateshead
Birth County Durham

You ask what evidence they would use to prove their age.

I have read replies from other helpers on other threads advising that back then age was not as important as it is now.

A lot of people couldn't read or write and they just guessed their ages - you only have to look at some census records to see that - ages can be out by 5 years.

One example of mine is my great grandmother - she married in 1901. He was 26, she was 29.

10 years later in the 1911 census he was 34 and she was 44!

This appears to be the marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1853 (>99%)
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Hamber Frederick Marsh Kensington 1a 6

Where did you find the places of birth?
Looks as though the children were not with them on the day of the 1861 Census. Were the parents on holiday?

This could be a child of theirs:
Name Francis Arthur Werge Hamber
Year of Registration 1855
Quarter of Registration Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Wandsworth
Registration County London
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 1D
Volume Page 391

Children on 1861 Census:

Address 6, North Street
Parish Wandsworth
District Wandsworth, Wandsworth
Administrative County London, Surrey
Householder 1
Name William Brown
Age 42
Estimated Year of Birth 1819
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Rector Of Little...
Birth Place Cambridge
Birth County
Householder 2
Name Frances Brown
Age 45
Estimated Year of Birth 1816
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place ...
Birth County Cheshire
Householder 3
Name Edward Brown
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1855
Relationship to Head of Household Nephew
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Cambridge
Birth County
Householder 4
Name Mortimer Gray
Age 11
Estimated Year of Birth 1850
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Putney
Birth County Surrey
Householder 5
Name Herbert Gray
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1852
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Putney
Birth County Surrey
Householder 6
Name Arthur Gray
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Putney
Birth County Surrey
Householder 7
Name Fredrick Hamber
Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1854
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Wandsworth
Birth County Surrey
Householder 8
Name Francis Hamber
Age 5
Estimated Year of Birth 1856
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Wandsworth
Birth County Surrey
Householder 9
Name Eustace Hamber
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1857
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Wandsworth
Birth County Surrey
Householder 10
Name Aldith Hamber
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1860
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Wandsworth
Birth County Surrey
Householder 11
Name Sarah Lambert
Age 23
Estimated Year of Birth 1838
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation Housemaid
Birth Place Ware
Birth County Hertfordshire
Householder 12
Name Sarah White
Age 25
Estimated Year of Birth 1836
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation Housemaid
Birth Place Pelham
Birth County Hertfordshire
Householder 13
Name Emma Moreton
Age 23
Estimated Year of Birth 1838
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation Nurse
Birth Place Hamburgh
Birth County
Householder 14
Name Marie Westphalen
Age 25
Estimated Year of Birth 1836
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation Housemaid
Birth Place Hanover Stoke
Birth County

Have you seen this site re Saint Anne Church and school records?

SAINT ANNE, WANDSWORTH: SAINT ANNE'S CRESCENT, WANDSWORTH
It was therefore not until July 1850, when the Revd Dr Pemberton of All Saints resigned, that Saint Anne's Wandsworth became a separate parish. ...

www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/vcdf/detail?coll_id=15396&ins... - Similar

London Gazette Lilburn as a Financial Agent in 1890:

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/all=Hamber/start=31

Date: 15 July 1890 Issue number: 26070 Page number: 3949 Score: 87.61%
,- with Lilburn Roland Charles Hamber, as Hamber...)

Lancelot in the Army:
Issue 29026 page 69

Subsequently resigned his Commission February 1915 on account of illhealth.

How odd!...
A Birth notice in Daily News (London) Newspaper dated 7th February 1862...

Hamber. February 3rd at Wandsworth, the wife of F.M. Hamber Esq. of a daughter.

Chris :)

Deaths Jun 1893 (>99%)
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Hamber Lilburn Douglas 0 Wandsworth 1d 402
Hamber Lilburn Roland C 31 Hastings 2b 14

(sadly his son died too, 25th June, aged 12wks)


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1232629

(above link to join Lancs. Library, for access to Newspapers. Free!)

Sorry for not getting back to you all sooner - summer hols and grandchildren - have to do my bit 3 days a week.

Thank you all for your help. Most of the Census info I have.
The link to the London Gazette I've now added it to my favourites

Is there a link for Old Newspaper Birth notices. I've been trying to find one. So many people refer to it but I've never been able to find any.

Chris - yes I know his legal son for Leila died but not his illegitimate sons. I'm a direct decendant. He was my greatgrandfather.The London baptism records proved it and they also proved the stories passed down the family. I have a copy of the family bible as I mentioned in my post.

I was trying to follow the trail of where he was living and how he managed to keep 2 households going - sadly after he died ggran was kicked out of the house.

I have been looking also for him and his mother 1911 Census but can't find them

:-D

Hello Susanne,
for old newspapers take a look at the link I posted above...free to join, and well worth doing so, apart from access to The Times, you also have one called 19th Century Newspapers, brilliant!.

Chris :)

Who are you looking for in 1911,
Wallace or Claude? and their mum.

Maryb

I'm looking for his mother Frances Jane Sarah Hamber 1901

She remarried 1904
Mother Frances Jane Sarah Ernst Browning 1911
Husband William Ernst Browning
The actual name is Ernst-Browning but some rcords seems to be just Browning

:-D

Hello Susanne, the Death and Burial for Lilburn in 1893 is posted earlier above by Lynski...

Chris :)

Presumably you have already seen these:

George Hamber notes - S85 - Source Information - PhpGedView
2, I12450, Hamber, Lilburn Roland Charles. Father: Hamber, Frederick Marsh. LILBURN ROLAND CHARLES,HAMBER, HAMBER,LILBURN ROLAND CHARLES. 1861/62 (1862) ...

www.webrarian.co.uk/phpGedView/source.php?sid=S85&ged... - Similar

Frederick Edmund Marsh Hamber - I12727 - Individual ...
Parents Family (F3905). Father. Frederick Marsh Hamber - 1873. Frederick ...

www.webrarian.co.uk/phpGedView/individual.php?... - Similar

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Pedigree of the Family of Corsellis - S74 - Source Information ...
21, F3904, I12450, Hamber, Lilburn Roland Charles. Father: Hamber, Frederick ...

www.webrarian.co.uk/phpGedView/source.php?sid=S74&ged... -