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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Deane Esther White Ilford 5a 881
White John Deane Ilford 5a 881

I finally found out who Esther married it was a fun mystery to solve but a photo was needed in the end to solve it. We found a photo of her wedding and judging the age of the small bridesmaid who is my aunt we worked out the date of the wedding. That then led to a place then we found the spouse name which was John White married 1950 ilford. Strangely though the site didn't throw this up when we just searched Esthers name.

death??
Thanet Kent 5f 1927
Esther White born 26/9/1899 died Dec 1973.

Birth fits with Esther Deane.

Maryb

Hi Snowdrop, if you buy a copy of their marriage certificate it will give his previous marital status when they wed:


England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005

Name: Esther Deane
Spouse Surname: White
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1950
Registration district: Ilford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 881

It will hopefully confirm Esther's age. If your Aunt was sure she was 37 when she married then that can't be her on the census found?

Esther Deane married John White 1950 Ilford Essex? :-)

Ok update I have just found this-

Esther Deane married John White in 1950 in Ilford Essex

How do I find out if he was married before as this is a very common name.

We have now found a photo of Esther's wedding will all e family in attendance but still no clue as to her surname, however Aunt Stella is in the photo and looks to be about 5 years old so that will date it.

Good luck Snowdrop.

Maryb.

Thank you a great idea re electoral roll will do that next :-)

Ok update,Rose Maria Deane did not marry mr Ayling as she was cared for by her daughter Ameliai a for many years, she dis have other children who died, confirming records of Violet and census of 8 born 5 died.

Still stuck re finding out the surname for Esther after she 'married' or is she Esther who died in 1954 still, having her maiden name?

Maybe checking electoral rolls for Amelia will give some info on who was living with her.
1980 11,Nelson Court Thanet

Maryb

Ancestry shows a possible address in Birchington for Amelia in 1980 edition of phone books.

If she cared for her sister, one must presume ( not always a wise thing ! ) that she was not too advanced in years herself, so maybe Esther died fairly soon after that ?

EDIT
In 1970s a W.E.C.CASWELL is listed at that address.

Gwyn

William C Caswell born 4/4/1900 died in kent 1978,this is who married amelia I think.

Esther /Hester in 1911 with mum Rose Maria and May (Amelia) in 1911 is the same one I would say especially as they also have a brother george with the same age.
Also the time rose maria has been married also fits with the marriage for Ralph and Rose Maria.

Maryb

Yes that is correct I dont know how to search burials and cemeteries is there a site for this please?

My auntie is now searching the attic to find old address books to see if Esther's surname is written down anywhere.....when she was ill her sister Amelia ( May) cared for her so the husband must have died or gone off?

There is a Birchington on sea in kent is that the same place?

Maryb

1911 159 Church st Kensington
Maria dean 32 widow married 16 years born Paddington (I think Rose is smudged before it says Maria)8 kids born 5 died
Hester 11 or 14??born kensington
George 10
May 4 (Amelia.)??

Living in 1room.

There is a Amelia Constance born 21/5/1906 in Fulham she marries William C E Caswell 1928 she died in kent 2003 could she be Esthers sister??

Ralph Deane 1877 died 1909.

I think this is correct but how does this Hester connect to the earlier Esther?
also an aunitie says that her grandad Ralph Deane reportedly died 6 months before my father who was her brother was born which was 1926, so is this the correct Ralph?

The issue is I don't know Peters surname at all.
Yes Amelia Caswell is the correct sister.
By the account of a living Aunt , Esther married at age 37 the husband already had a son Peter no one seems to remember her new surname at all.
Other misleading info which may or may not be true is that she liked to be known as Aunt Stella even though this wasn't her name, but Ive checked using that name too.
Apparently she died somewhere near Bilchington in Kent.
I've found two families in the census but are they the same family or different?
in 1901 Rose and Ralph are with George age 0 and Esther age 1 but in 1911 there is the smudged Rose Marie widow record with children Hester George and May who could be sister Amelia b. 1905 ish

Violet died 1903.

Maryb

Posting in case it helps with family in 1911......

Name: Violet Deane .....b. 11 September 1903
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1903
Baptism Date: 30 Sep 1903
Father's name: Ralph Deane ........mason's labourer
Mother's name: Rose Deane
Parish or Poor Law Union: Fulham St Peter
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
................Address 5 Kilmaine Road.....................


Sadly died young, I think
Deaths Dec 1903

Deane Violet.. 0 ..Fulham 1a 201

Gwyn

Esther Dean married J/A/S Kensington 1a 420 to John A Jukes???

Maryb