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No bother! :-)

If at any time you want more help just come back and update this thread.

Let us know if you get any more info to help solve the loose ends.

Marie -

OK thank you for the help.

I Will use the advice i have been given

Daniel - I'd already seen that info on your tree on ancestry, the only help that would be is in getting a copy of their marriage certificate again to confirm details.

Problem with info passed down in families is that it's not too reliable, no matter how adamant the relatives giving the info are that they're right.

It's entirely up to you whether or not you follow advice given on here, but this link may be useful: General Register Office http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

AFTER READING A LOT OF THIS RECENT REPLYS, I AM NOW BECOMING CONFUSED ...
I NEED TO GET MORE INFORMATION FROM MY AUNTIE BAB BUT IM SURE MARK HILLS AND JEANNE WOULD HAVE BEEN MARRIED ...

ARTHUR RONALD HILL WAS BORN 18 SEPT 1911 AND DIED 29 0CT 1969 .. HE MARRIED MARY ELIZABETH MEES
I DONT KNOW IF THAT COULD HELP BUT ITS WORTH EXTRA INFORMATION THAT I CURRENTLY KNOW

A Hill / Donald marriage in cardiff

Marriages Mar 1913 (>99%)
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Donald Rosina Hill Cardiff 11a 679
Hill Albert Donald Cardiff 11a 679

and another

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
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Donald Mary Jane Cardiff 11a 628
Hill Arthur Cardiff 11a 628


so those births above could belong to one of these couples

Daniel, did you get Arthur's DOB and parent's names from his birth cert?

What other info have you got to arrive at his parents' POBs?

If you use the freebmd site, you will find other Hill births with MMN Donald, in Cardiff.

These look like 2 siblings for Arthur (both have Mother's Maiden Surname as Donald)
John K Hill 1913 Sep Q Cardiff
Constance M Hill b1915 Jun Q Cardiff

My point exactly jax!

I do have some reservations about the Jeanie Donald found in 1901 & 1911. That one was only 17 in 1911 and Daniel's Arthur was born later that year in Cardiff, around 300 miles away.

I guess it IS possible that her parents sent her away to have the baby .........

There was no need to marry to take the fathers name just like today

jax

Daniel, I searched both variants (Donald & Hill/Hills) in UK and Wales.

However, if they married elsewhere then it wouldn't have shown up.

Do you know when & where they married? (You'll need that to get further back).

Yes thank you all for the the help

@Marie -

They were married because my second name goes under hill so Mark Hills did marry jeanne donald ... the HILLS became HILL

The father in the 1901 census is a plumber also/maybe same family. Just be aware, it does take a bit of guess work, but you need to find as much solid information as you can before venturing back! Good luck!

Daniel, is it possible that Jeanne(ie) & Mark never married - I'm not finding a marriage record, but I did find this:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1922
DONALD Jeannie Wildey Carlisle 10b 1106
Wildey William Donald Carlisle 10b 1106

1911 (against my better judgement!)

DONALD, John Head Married M 45 1866 Plumber Glasgow Scotland
DONALD, Mary Wife Married 25 years F 44 1867 Glasgow Scotland
DONALD, Mary Daughter Single F 19 1892 Dressmaker Glasgow Scotland
**DONALD, Jeanie Daughter Single F 17 1894 Book Stitcher Glasgow Scotland
DONALD, John Son Single M 15 1896 Messenger Carlisle Cumberland
DONALD, George Son Single M 13 1898 School Carlisle Cumberland

Registration District: Carlisle
Sub District: St Mary
Enumeration District: 2
Parish: Carlisle

** IF that's your Jeanie, she'd be pregnant at the time the census was taken.

Address: 11a Peter Street Carlisle County: Cumberland

Daniel - that's why I said to buy his birth certificate. That way you'll be 100% sure of parents names, Mark's occupation and you'll also have an address. Seeing as Arthur Ronald was born just months after the 1911 census there's a chance they were at same address.

Anything else is conjecture and it could all go horribly wrong if you trace the wrong people.

The information you've provided so far has changed slightly so please don't take chances.

Surname Forename Year of birth Place of birth Location in 1901 Individual
Household
Donald Jeanne F 1895 Scotland Cumberland, St Cuthbert View

let me know if i can help with anything, i can view the original

JoP

im not sure, the trouble is that i cant find any census matches, thats my problem, i cant seem to find the accurate information

r u able to view the original census records? The whole family appear to be from scotland, except their 2 youngest sons, the handwriting on census is quite bad tho, im not too good with reading old handwriting anyway! But can make the majority out if u cant view them. Does it make sense for them to be in ' cumberland' in 1901?

thank you for the help

Sorry thats from the 1901 census ^