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Harrie's medal card is on Ancestry:

Name: Harris E F Parkes
Regiment or Corps: Army Service Corps
Regimental Number: S4/140015

I wonder if his Army Service Record might give a clue. The last dated entry is home 29.10.1915 to 6.2.16. The next line is undated and not very easy to read but it looks to me like:

"172nd F Bky. E African Expn Force 7" followed by a squiggle which could be an initial.

Nearest is a Mr H Parkes travelling with a Mrs Parkes and Miss Parkes departing 19 Feb 1921 for Cape Town. Aged 32, 31 and 12 respectively - but the manifest states he was an actor!

I can't find a Harry Parkes (or variants) going to SA on the passenger lists on FMP. Does anyone have different information?

Apparently, Harry Parkes left for South Africa post 1911. Hence, why he was never talked about - he was the disgrace of the family.

I don't know which year that would have been or where he settled. Does anybody know how you can find such info.?

Thanks!

Click on my name to send me a PM with your email address and I will send them.

Yes please!!!! Sounds great - thanks so much.

Do you want the images, Sally? There are only 2 pages.

Potty, Re:
Harrie's WW1 record is on Ancestry - if you don't have access, PM me your email address and I will send them to you.

He married Elsie Terry, 2nd August 1911 at Farnham Registrars Office.

Address given is 3 East Station Road and his occupation was pastry cook.

There is one child mentioned, Edward Leslie Francis, b 1916 Aldershot - the DOB is very faint.

When was Victor born?

Edit:

Is this Victor's birth? I wonder why he isn't mentioned on the Service Record?

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Parkes Victor C E Terry Brighton 2b 416



Yes, that is my grandad!

Hi Potty, my dad has the certificate. The names of Harry and Elsie are definitely correct.

It is also known within the family that he was born in Brighton (where his mum's family were). Maybe she went there for the birth..... but as there isn't a further census from 1911 and grandad (Victor) was born in 1912, then possibly they moved there shortly after the census?

Parents of Harry Edward F Parkes:-
Father:- Alfred J Parkes b1867 Hendon
Mother:- Rosa Llewellyn Beatrice Whitlock b1866 St Pancras

Parents of Elsie Terry:-
Father:- Edmund Caleb Terry b 1851 Brighton
Mother:- Eliza Cheesman b 1855 Brighton

Sally, do you have Victor's birth cert? Is that where you got his parents names from?

Victor was born in 1912 and his birth is registered in Brighton. ?

Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)
Terry Eliza 47 Brighton 2b 140

Married 17 Feb 1863 at Holy Trinity, Haverstock Hill, Middlesex

Richard Whitlock, bachelor, 21, a carpenter of 11 Wellington Road, son of John Whitlock, a tanner (!)

Harriet spinster, 22 of 10 Albert Terrace, Prince of Wales Road, dau of Benjamin Poole, a brewer

According to later census returns, Harriet was born in Beaminster, Dorset.
If you google Dorset Online Parish Clerks, you might find some goodies there (I'm not sure about the coverage)

Harrie's WW1 record is on Ancestry - if you don't have access, PM me your email address and I will send them to you.

He married Elsie Terry, 2nd August 1911 at Farnham Registrars Office.

Address given is 3 East Station Road and his occupation was pastry cook.

There is one child mentioned, Edward Leslie Francis, b 1916 Aldershot - the DOB is very faint.

When was Victor born?

Edit:

Is this Victor's birth? I wonder why he isn't mentioned on the Service Record?

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Parkes Victor C E Terry Brighton 2b 416

Struggling to find Elsie in 1911. :-S

Edmund has possibly remarried..........

1911 census - household transcription
Person: TERRY, Edmund
Address: 8 Newport Street Brighton

TERRY, Edmund Head Married M 59 1852 House Decorator Sussex Brighton VIEW
TERRY, Elizabeth Wife Married F 60 1851 Kent Woolwich VIEW
BAMDEN, Ernest L Son Single M 19 1892 Railway Clerk Sussex Brighton VIEW
BAMDEN, Herbert Son Single M 17 1894 Ralway Clerk Sussex Brighton VIEW
BAMDEN, William Grandson Single M 20 1891 Blacksmith Striker Sussex Brighton VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
5129 Reference:
RG14PN5129 RG78PN227 RD79 SD2 ED9 SN185

Registration District:
Brighton Sub District:
West Brighton Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Brighton

Address:
8 Newport Street Brighton County:
Sussex

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1891 England Census
about Elsie Terry
Name: Elsie Terry
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edmund Terry
Mother's Name: Eliza Terry
Gender: Female
Where born: Brighton

Civil parish: Brighton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Brighton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 807
Folio: 21
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Edmund Terry 39
Eliza Terry 35
Emily Terry 11
Edith Terry 8
Maud Terry 5
Elsie Terry 1


1901 England Census
about Elsie Terry
Name: Elsie Terry
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edmund Terry
Mother's Name: Eliza Terry
Gender: Female
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Brighton
Ecclesiastical parish: Brighton St Luke
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: East Brighton
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 288
Piece: 924
Folio: 134
Page Number: 43
Household Members:
Name Age
Edmund Terry 49
Eliza Terry 45
Emily Terry 21
Ethel Terry 18
Maude Terry 15
Elsie Terry 11
Jane Cheesman 78 (Mother in Law)

I found the above Parkes family in Acton in 1901 at 21 Mill Hill Grove

The return states that Alfred Parkes was born in St John's Wood and Rosa Whitlock in Kentish Town. They have children Harry, Dorothy, Margarette and Rosa and another daughter, Lilian, aged 6. They also have a couple of lodgers. Alfred is shown as a restaurant cook.