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could William be George William Moorhouse?

.........if so then maybe this is his death?

Deaths Jun 1875 (>99%)
MOORHOUSE George William 42 Hull 9d 158


Births Dec 1872 (>99%)
MOORHOUSE Thomas Joseph Hull 9d 198

Would fit in with the birth of Eliza?

Births Dec 1875 (>99%)
Moorhouse Eliza Ellen Hull 9d 211

Deaths Sep 1914 (>99%)
Crottogini Ellen 70 Hull 9d 310

Deaths Mar 1917 (>99%)
Crottogini Paul 71 Hull 9d 383

................maybe the death certificates of the parents may give a clue. If they were registered by Louis then at least you would know that he was still alive at that time.
If he did change his name then maybe they were registered by him under his new name???

Do you have this one from 1871?

Ellen Moorhouse
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Moorhouse
Gender: Female
Where born: Reighton, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Town: Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 9
Piece: 4788
Folio: 3
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
William Moorhouse 37
Ellen Moorhouse 29
George Moorhouse 2

Louis William born July 1881,so Ellen would be pregnant early in the year.
Can't find any of them on 1881 census.
Not under Moorhouse /Crottogini!!!

Maryb.

just for want of something to post:-

1891
Name: Paul Grottogini
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Grottogini
Gender: Male
Where born: Italy

Civil parish: Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Kingston Upon Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 46 Myton Street

Occupation: Ice Cream Dealer

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3940
Folio: 36
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Paul Grottogini 45
Ellen Grottogini 46 born: Reighton, Yorkshire,
Thomas J Moorhouse 18 born: Hull, Yorkshire
Louis H Grottgini 9
Eliza E Moorhouse 15 born: Hull, Yorkshire

same address as 1911 census.

.............can't find a marriage either??

There's a sighting of Paul in 1892 in a trade directory available via genuki:

Crottogini, Paul ice cream maker and confectioner, 46 Myton Street; oyster dealer, 45 Hedon Road; fried fish shop, S east par, Holderness Road.

Hope he didn't make oyster flavoured ices....touch of the Heston Blumenthals! :-D

Sally

I'm in Hull - would you like me to do a little delving? No guarantees but I can try!

BWs

Kim

Do you have them on the 1891 census?
Did they marry abroad?

Added:
Found them on ancestry as Grottogini in 1891, just trying to get a handle on them.

Not that it makes any difference to Louis but I can't even find Paul marrying Ellen!!

So, if she meant Louis in the 1911 at least he was alive then. (Even if we can't find him!)

Perhaps he changed his name on outbreak of WW1? Not sure why as it sounds Italian, not German, but maybe some people were a bit odd about any "foreign" name.

Jill

Who is Thomas Moorhouse stepson.Is it Ellen's son before marriage?

Paul and Ellen according to tree on Ancestry had Victoria Elizabeth 1884 died 1884.

Maryb

I did try Louis Moorhouse in desperation - found one but def. not him, and why do that anyway!!
Jan

It is Jan...............but I'm pleased it's not just me. I suppose he could have just changed his name.

Sally

Not sure what to suggest now. No sign of him anywhere as far as I can tell. How frustrating!

for ref:- 1911

CROTTOGINI, Paul Head Married M 66 1845 Ice Cream Manufacture Milan Italy Resident VIEW
CROTTOGINI, Ellen Wife Married 31 years F 67 1844 Reighton Yorks VIEW
MOORHOUSE, Thomas Stepson Single M 37 1874 Ice Cream Manufactor Hull Yorks VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
28754 Reference:
RG14PN28754 RG78PN1651 RD522 SD1 ED5 SN118

Registration District:
Hull Sub District:
Humber Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Holy Trinity and St Mary

Address:
46 Myton St Hull County:
Yorkshire (East riding)

.............I agree with Jan. Thomas would look be her child from a first marriage.


1901 (also for ref):-
Name: Louie Crottigine
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Paul Crottigine
Mother's Name: Ellen Crottigine
Gender: Male
Where born: Yks Italian Subject, Hull

Civil parish: Holy Trinity and St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 46 Myton Street

Occupation: Joiner Carpenter

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Humber
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 190
Piece: 4498
Folio: 31
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Paul Crottigine 56 - born: Ita Italian Subject (Dairyman Milk)
Ellen Crottigine 56
Louie Crottigine 19
Thomas Moorhouse 29

I think she must mean Louis as in 1891 she had 2 Moorhouse children, Thomas and Eliza.
Sally

I think she should mean Louis - the idea is to record children born to this marriage, and Thomas was born before it seems. But people didn't necessarily realise this it must be said!
Jan

That 1911 entry is a bit odd - Ellen shows as having 1 child born, 1 child living - presume that is Thomas Moorhouse?

Maybe she forgot Louis?

Jill

No I can't find him in Scotland no matter what name variations I put in.

Never thought of that Jan..............I've got some credits on ScotlandsPeople so will have a look.

Sally