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Lol welcome to my family Bats Daug,I know they have been a complete nightmare,as you say name changing every census,just seems like they did not the future generation to find out about them,I really thank you for your time and effort you have put into this,a lot of what you have found I knew about,hope thats not a comedown for you,it just shows me what kind people are on here helping people like me out,if you think the Hope family was a nightmare,dont go anywhere near Beatice Hope husband Charles Brown,my great grandfather their even worse.
Just wanna say a really big thank you again.
Regards Terry

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Charles Brown Name: Charles Brown
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Spouse Name: Beatrice Hope
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 01 Jul 1901
Parish: St Michael and All Angels, Stonebridge
County: Middlesex
Borough: Willesden
Father Name: James Brown
Spouse Father Name: Robert Hope >> Engineer

Witnesses; Joseph Harman Alvey and Mary Alvey

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Lily Hope Smith Name: Lily Hope Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1902
Baptism Date: 5 May 1902
Father's Name: Sidney Smith >> carman
Mother's Name: Ranney Hope Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Willesden St Matthew
Borough: Brent

DOB;12th July 1901
Address; 63 Oldfield Road


The baptism above this is for Robert Hope Smith, parents Robert Smith, Engineer and Louisa.... at the SAME address!!!!!!

Above Robert Hope Smiths baptism is;
Ada Brown, parents; Charles and Beatrice Brown. Address 65 Oldfield Road


And below Lily Hope Smith is;

Nelson Philimore Lee. Parents; Percy and Cinderella Lee

All these names are intermingled with the Travelling families and also your families.

OMD..................

1891 England Census
about Ranny Pikey Name: Ranny Pikey
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert Pikey
Mother's Name: Louisa Pikey
Gender: Female
Where born: Childs Hill, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Hendon
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Childs Hill
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Hendon
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1050
Folio: 75
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Pikey 35 >> Mind Machine... born BRISTOL!!
Louisa Pikey 33
Albert Pikey 16
Luiderville Pikey 14
Brilluess Pikey 12
Ranny Pikey 8
Molly Pikey 4
Leonard Pikey 9/12


It states " These are Gypsies in Vans"

I can't beleive this.... surely it has to be them, all these name changes!!!

1881 England Census
about Louisa Hughes Name: Louisa Hughes
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Sidney Hughes
Mother's Name: Annie Hughes
Gender: Female
Where born: Essex, England

Civil parish: Hampstead
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: Gipsy Tent and Caravan
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Hawker

Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 167
Folio: 104
Page Number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
Sidney Hughes 70
Annie Hughes 53
Louisa Hughes 23
Lenard Hughes 15
Ada Hughes 12
Robert Smith 25 >> Tinker from Somerset.
Albert Hughes 2
Timberlina Hughes

Uuummm.........


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Job Smith Name: Job Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1895
Baptism Date: 17 Jun 1895
Father's Name: Terence Smith >> Gypsy
Mother's Name: Louisa Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Wembley
Borough: Brent

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Leonard Smith Name: Leonard Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1895
Baptism Date: 17 Jun 1895
Father's Name: Terence Smith >> Gypsey
Mother's Name: Louisa Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Wembley
Borough: Brent




London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Louisa Hughes Name: Louisa Hughes
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Terence Smith >>> Engineer
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Nov 1884
Parish: All Saints, Edmonton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Enfield
Father Name: Sydney Hughes



Oh crickey........... now I know the Travelling community likedto switch their names....... but come on give us a break!!
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Cinderella Mary Hughes Name: Cinderella Mary Hughes
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1881
Baptism Date: 4 May 1881
Father's Name: Robert Hughes >> travelling Engineer
Mother's Name: Louisa Hughes
Parish or Poor Law Union: Willesden St Mary
Borough: Brent

Hi Terry,

sorry for the delay, just had visitors.

Now I've looked again at the Hope family in 1901 and fanny definately is fanny on census. However Rody aged 13 is female

Looking at Fanny could be misprint about age if it was 17 and it could be misprint again it could be Ranny[Rainey].

Hi BatsDaug,the last two seem to tie up,thanks very much.just need to work out who Rainey was from the list.

1901 England Census
about Robert Hope Name: Robert Hope
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa Hope
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Willesden
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 199
Piece: 1215
Folio: 22
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Hope 46 >> engineer
Louisa Hope 44
Albert Hope 22
Mary Hope 21
Beatrice Hope 19
Fanny Hope 19
Leonard Hope 14
Rody Hope 13
Walter Hope 9
Job Hope 6
Jennie Hope 5
Maud Hope 2

I wonder if this ties up somewhere??

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Ada Smith Name: Ada Smith
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Spouse Name: Terrance William
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Apr 1897
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Wembley
County: London
Borough: Brent
Father Name: Robert Hope >> Engineer
Spouse Father Name: John William

Witnes
ses; Beatrice Hope and Tilly (?) Fletcher

Ooppsss, posting and looking when you replied Terry.......... thinking on similar lines though.

:-D

Ok so not your Rainey;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Mobey Name: John Mobey
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Spouse Name: Raney Smith
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 06 Aug 1907
Parish: Christ Church, Fulham
County: London
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: Alfred Mobey

Her father is deceased and was Major Smith.

As with most travelling families though the names are used over again so this family maybe linked to your Rainey.

Thank you BD,they were travellers and these might be related,they seem to use the same names in their familys,but I dont think this is the same Rainey,but thank you for taken the time to look,I will check the ones yove sent because they may well tie up with my lot somewhere.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Henry Smith Name: Henry Smith
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Spouse Name: Britannia Dixie
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 04 Jun 1900
Parish: Christ Church, Battersea
County: Surrey
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Major Smith >> hawker, deceased
Spouse Father Name: Edward Dixie

1881 England Census
about Mayor Smith Name: Mayor Smith
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lucy Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Peckham

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: Caravan
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 698
Folio: 153
Page Number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
Mayor Smith 21
Lucy Smith 22
Maria Tindal 14
Jesaclise Smith 4
Henry Smith 1


1891 England Census
about Raney Smith Name: Raney Smith
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Granddaughter
Mother's Name: Lucy Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Lee
Ecclesiastical parish: Good Shepherd
Town: Blackheath
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Lee
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 518
Folio: 70
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Smith 60
Lucy Smith 35
Gentela Smith 13
Henry Smith 11
Nelson Smith 6
Fanny Smith 4
Raney Smith 2
Infant Smith 1 Month

Hi Terry,

if your family are from Travellers then this maybe Raineys baptism;

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Rainey Smith Name: Rainey Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1889
Baptism Date: 24 Feb 1889
Father's Name: Majer Smith
Mother's Name: Lucy Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea Christ Church
Borough: Wandsworth

Siblings;

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Henry Smith Name: Henry Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1879
Baptism Date: 1879
Father's Name: Major Smith >> hawker
Mother's Name: Lucy Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: South Acton
Borough: Ealing


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Louisa Lucy Smith Name: Louisa Lucy Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1891
Baptism Date: 10 May 1891
Father's Name: Major Smith
Mother's Name: Lucy Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea Christ Church
Borough: Wandsworth


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Louisa Lucy Smith Name: Louisa Lucy Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1891
Baptism Date: 10 May 1891
Father's Name: Major Smith >>> hawker
Mother's Name: Lucy Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea Christ Church
Borough: Wandsworth

Chris your a star,this family of mine has been an utter nightmare,but thanks to people like you and others on here,I would not know what I know today.thank you very much......oh if you get bored doing others just keep adding here.lol.

(I couldn't see it on Marriage index, went to London Marriages instead)

Chris :)

edits, just found on FreeBMD

Marriages Mar 1903 (>99%)

Cray Walter Charles Hendon 3a 332
Smith Rainey Hendon 3a 332

Jan you have helped me before on the Hope side of my family they are a nightmare,and I think Chris has solved another puzzle,there is always someway of tying it up,and Chis has I think/Hope done that.

Second look, yep, would say Marion...

(address given for him, 87, St. John's Avenue, 93 for her)

Chris :)