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Flick

Flick Report 23 Sep 2011 12:55

North Wales Marriage indexes for the years: 1886

JONES Hugh H JONES Mary Ffestiniog, Civil Marriage Gwynedd - Meirionnydd Area Register Office (Dolgellau) ARD/21/E14

Flick

Flick Report 23 Sep 2011 12:51

The registration district for their abode in 1891 is Ffestiniog................

Jill

Jill Report 23 Sep 2011 11:25

Everywhere I could think of. Sometimes it comes up with Ffestioniog, other time Pwlhelli

Thanks for your help

Andrew

Andrew Report 23 Sep 2011 11:24

This might be Mary and parents from 1861

1861 Wales Census
about Mary Jones Name: Mary Jones
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Evan Jones
Mother's Name: Anne Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Ynyscynhaiarn, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Ynyscynhaiarn
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Festiniog
Sub-registration district: Tremadoc
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4327
Folio: 50
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Evan Jones 44
Anne Jones 42 born Llangian
Anne Jones 14
Owen Jones 11
Mary Jones 7
Eliza Jones 3



Andy

Flick

Flick Report 23 Sep 2011 11:08

Where did you look for possible marriage?

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From freebmd

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Marriages Sep 1886 (>99%)
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DAVIES John Festiniog 11b 489
Jones Hugh Hugh Festiniog 11b 489
Jones Mary Festiniog 11b 489

Flick

Flick Report 23 Sep 2011 11:06

1891

Name: Elizabeth Jones
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Ynyscynhaiarn, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Civil parish: Ynyscynhaiarn
Ecclesiastical parish: Ynyscynhaiarn
Town: Borth Y Gest
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Festiniog
Sub-registration district: Tremadoc
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4649
Folio: 77
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Jones 72
Hugh Jones 28
Mary Jones 28
Elizabeth Jones 2
Robert Jones 10/12

Jill

Jill Report 23 Sep 2011 10:59

Flick

What I know (and it'sobvious that it's not much!) is that Evan Jones b.1818 of Morfa Bychan married an Ann b. c1819 of Llanengan. They had 6 children, including Mary.
Mary then married Hugh Jones b.1862 d.1917 both in Morfa Bychan. They went onto have 9 biological children before adopting another child in Jan/Feb 1917.
I shall be very careful what I put in any further posts so that I don't create any confusion.

Flick

Flick Report 23 Sep 2011 10:43

Just re-posting to show that Hugh's birthplace bears no resemblance to that originally suggested

Name: Hugh Jones
Age in 1901: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanystumdwy, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Civil parish: Ynyscynhaiarn
Ecclesiastical parish: Ynyscynhaiarn
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Festiniog
Sub-registration district: Tremadoc
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 161
Piece: 5261
Folio: 100
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Hugh Jones 38
Mary Jones 38 b. Ynysychaiarn
Elizabeth Jones 12
Robert Jones 10
Annie Jones 7
Ellen Jones 5
Mary Kate Jones 3
Christiana I Jones 1
Ann Jones 82 b. Llangian

Are you assuming that Mary's maiden name was Jones because Ann is Hugh's Mother in law?

Ann could have married more than once.............

As there are numerous possible births for Elizabeth (not Betty) I would advise that you obtain this one...............for facts about the mother's maiden name

Births Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Jones Christiana Jane Festiniog 11b 375

Jill

Jill Report 23 Sep 2011 10:35

Morfa Bychan is located just over 2 miles away from Portmadoc (now Gywnedd)
In its time it has been within the boundaries of Gwynedd, Caernarvonshire (and possibly) Merionethshire

Jill

Jill Report 23 Sep 2011 10:18

Andy

You've found the family that I'm looking for.
Ann Jones aged 82 was the mother of Mary, wife of Hugh.

It is their marriage I can't find any record of. I know that Mary's father was called Evan and that he was from Morfa Bychan, whereas Ann was from Llanengan, Caernarvonshire.

Sorry for any confusion on the location of Morfa Bychan.

Flick

Flick Report 23 Sep 2011 10:15

Thanks Ann....we do need fully accurate info from the poster

Flick

Flick Report 23 Sep 2011 10:13

Looks good, Andy

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Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
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Jones Hugh Festiniog 11b 523
Roberts Ann Festiniog 11b 523
Roberts Mary Festiniog 11b 523

Possibly the 'missing' male

Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
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Roberts Hugh Griffith Festiniog 11b 528


'528' is outside the page range for the period/area

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Sep 2011 10:13

I've asked Jill to come back and tell us exactly where "her" Morfa Bychan is

Andrew

Andrew Report 23 Sep 2011 09:58

Just a thought.....

1901 Wales Census
about Elizabeth Jones Name: Elizabeth Jones
Age in 1901: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Hugh Jones
Mother's Name: Mary Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Ynyscynhaiarn, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Civil parish: Ynyscynhaiarn
Ecclesiastical parish: Ynyscynhaiarn
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Festiniog
Sub-registration district: Tremadoc
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 161
Piece: 5261
Folio: 100
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Hugh Jones 38
Mary Jones 38
Elizabeth Jones 12
Robert Jones 10
Annie Jones 7
Ellen Jones 5
Mary Kate Jones 3
Christiana I Jones 1
Ann Jones 82


Andy

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Sep 2011 09:54

just googled again - there is more than one Morfa Bychan in Wales!! Peembrokeshire, Gwynnedd, Ceredigion

Andrew

Andrew Report 23 Sep 2011 09:53

Betty Jones is remarkably rare. only 4 on 1891 census. Must be registered under a different name.

Andy

Flick

Flick Report 23 Sep 2011 09:51

County boundaries have changed since the 19th century...........probably explains the difference

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Sep 2011 09:47

when I googled it came up as Ceredigion!! sorry folks

Flick

Flick Report 23 Sep 2011 09:40

I can't see a family on 1891 Wales census to fit the info given

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Sep 2011 09:38

Where have you got your info from? I can't see the family on a census.
Jan