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Hi all, my you've been busy, let's hope we're on the right track. When I applied for Peter's birth cert they said dispatch would be 30 Sept, can't wait, I do hope it comes out before then as I can see you are all itching to go. You are all so kind and I do hope that the research you've put in so far is not in vain but at the same time it is very much appreciated. You never know all or part of the above may fall into place.

I'll be in touch as soon as the cert arrives.

Kind regards


Kathryn

????????? very uncertain about this one....

1881 census transcription details for: 209, Manchester Rd, Oldham
RG number: RG11 Piece: 4076 Folio: 69 Page: 56

Reg. District: Oldham Sub District: Oldham Below Town
Parish: Oldham Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 209, Manchester Rd, Oldham
County: Lancashire
ALLAM, Robert Head Married M 36 1845 Coachman (Dom)
Horham
Lancashire
ALLAM, M Jane Wife Married F 30 1851 Confectioner
Hyde
Lancashire
TAYLOR, Louisa Step Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Failsworth
Lancashire
ALLAM, Laura Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Horkam
Suffolk
TAYLOR, James Step Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Oldham
Lancashire
ALLAM, Bertha Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Newton Heath
Lancashire
ALLAM, Thomas Son Single M 4 1877
Harpurhey
Lancashire
TAYLOR, Samuel Step Son Single M 3 1878
Oldham
Lancashire
ALLAM, Albert T Son Single M 0 1881
Oldham
Lancashire


Maureen

I know I'm jumping the gun,but I couldn't resist!!

That marriage just had to be correct. Lots of work still to be done,obviously, and I still have no clue who Robert Allum was.


Births Sep 1853
Dugdill Jane Manchester 8d 165

Births Jun 1879
Allum John Prestwich 8d 388

Deaths Sep 1879
Allum Jane 26 Prestwich 8d 199
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1871 census transcription details for: Rickett Street, Moston

RG number: RG10 Piece: 4065 Folio: 145 Page: 10

Reg. District: Manchester Sub District: Failsworth
Parish: Moston Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Rickett Street, Moston
County: Lancashire

DUGDILL, John Head M 44 1827 Lancashire
DUGDILL, Matilda Wife F 38 1833 Lancashire
DUGDILL, Jane Daughter F 17 1854 Lancashire
DUGDILL, Elizabeth Daughter F 15 1856 Lancashire
DUGDILL, Thomas Son M 13 1858 Lancashire
DUGDILL, Ann Daughter F 11 1860 Lancashire
DUGDILL, John Son M 9 1862 Lancashire
DUGDILL, Sarah Eliza Daughter F 7 1864 Lancashire
DUGDILL, Matilda Daughter F 4 1867 Lancashire
DUGDILL, Mary Daughter F 2 1869 Lancashire
.......................
1881 census transcription details for: New Moston, Rickett Street, Moston
RG number: RG11 Piece: 4029 Folio: 132 Page: 37

Reg. District: Prestwich Sub District: Failsworth
Parish: Moston Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: New Moston, Rickett Street, Moston
County: Lancashire
DUGDILL, John Head Married M 54 1827 Carder In Cotton Mill (Ma)
Salford
Lancashire
DUGDILL, Matilda Wife Married F 48 1833
Manchester
Lancashire
DUGDILL, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 25 1856 Reeler Of Cotton
Ardwick
Lancashire
DUGDILL, Ann Daughter Single F 21 1860 Dressmaker
Salford
Lancashire
DUGDILL, John Son Single M 19 1862 Joiner
Salford
Lancashire
DUGDILL, Sarah Eliza Daughter Single F 17 1864 Dressmaker
Salford
Lancashire
DUGDILL, Matilda Daughter Single F 14 1867 Cotton Weaver
Moston
Lancashire
DUGDILL, Mary Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Moston
Lancashire
DUGDILL, Alice Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
DUGDILL, Eleanor Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Moston
Lancashire
>>>ALLUM, John Grand Son Single M 1 1880
Newton Heath
Lancashire
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1891 census transcription details for: Ricketts Street, Moston, Manchester
RG number: RG12 Piece: 3268 Folio: 141 Page: 44

Reg. District: Prestwich Sub District: Failsworth
Parish: Moston Enum. District: 13
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys Moston City/Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: Ricketts Street, Moston, Manchester
County: Lancashire

DUGDILL, John Head Married M 64 1827 Mechanics Spin
Salford
Lancashire
DUGDILL, Matilda Wife Married F 58 1833
Manchester
Lancashire
DUGDILL, Mary Daughter Single F 24 1867 Weaver Cotton
Moston
Lancashire
DUGDILL, Mamiloobe (Ancestry has her as Mamilsobe !!) Daughter Single F 22 1869 Weaver Cotton
Moston
Lancashire
DUGDILL, Mary Daughter Single F 19 1872 Weaver Cotton
Moston
Lancashire
DUGDILL, Eleanor Daughter Single F 16 1875 Dress Maker
Moston
Lancashire
>>>>>>ALLUM, Bertha Granddaughter Single F 16 1875 Weaver Cotton
Newton Heath
Lancashire (Ancestry has her as Bertha Alburn. Where was she in 1881???)

And where is John????
.......
Hopping around a bit-I think this is him in 1911:
1911 census transcription details for: Hyacinth, SHIP: HYACINTH, EAST INDIES, BOMBAY
Military details: Ship's Corperal 1st Class
RG14PN34971 RD640 SD2 ED20 SN9999


Reg. District: Sub District:
Parish: Enum. District: 20
Address:
County: Royal Navy at Sea and in ports abroad

ALLUM, John Single ? 31 1880 Newton Lancashire
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OK-1891 he's with Jane's sister:

1891 census transcription details for: 40, Lodge Street, Manchester

RG number: RG12 Piece: 3246 Folio: 16 Page: 25

Reg. District: Manchester Sub District: St George
Parish: Manchester Enum. District: 18
Ecclesiastical District: St Augustines City/Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: 40, Lodge Street, Manchester
County: Lancashire
LEATHAM, Daniel Gerard Head Married M 31 1860 Policeman
Moston
Lancashire
LEATHAM, Ann Wife Married F 31 1860
Salford
Lancashire
LEATHAM, Matilda Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
Manchester
Lancashire
ALLUM, John Nephew M 11 1880 Scholar
Manchester
Lancashire
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1901 census transcription details for: Wildfire Sheerness Gunnery SchoolRn Gunnery School

RG number: RG13 Piece: 817 Folio: 110 Page: 4

Reg. District: Sheppey Sub District: Minster
Parish: Sheerness Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: Sheerness St Paul City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Sheerness
County: Kent
ALLUM, John Crew Single M 21 1880 Seaman
Manchester
Lancashire


Best,
Maureenxx

Hi Maureen!
Well done for finding out what that D stands for!

This is interesting:-

Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%)
ALLUM Robert Manchester 8d 667
Dugdill Jane Manchester 8d 667

...........only one marriage for Allum - Dugdill, could very well be relevant as it is a rather unusual name, so could be worth keeping on file.
Would be interesting to know if these two had a son called John!


...........also only two births for a Jane Dugdill born between 1840 and 1855:-

Births Sep 1845 (>99%)
DUGDILL Jane Salford 20 887
..........and
Births Sep 1853 (>99%)
Dugdill Jane Manchester 8d 165

Hi Maureen, thanks for this further info, as you say it will be interesting hopefully once the birth cert arrives for Peter. I will, of course, stick to this one thread. If at any time I don't answer a reply it's just that Monday to Friday I work and don't get home until around 6pm or so.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Just a tiny find:
UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972
Name: John George Dugdill Allum
Medal or Award: RN Long Service and Good conduct Medal
Service Year: 1944-1954
Ship Name: Proserpine

Maureen

Hi Kathryn,

Yes! Please do add anything you find to this thread and don't start another one.
It makes it so much easier for us. (And you won't be told off,I promise!! ).

I did wonder about the "D" as both children seem to have that (John and Peter). It'll be interesting to see just where and why that pops in.

This is going to be fun! Thanks for letting us help!!

Maureenxx

Hi again, just to refresh my memory, when I find some more info is it right I just add to this thread and not start a new one. If my memory serves me well then I think in the past I've been told off for starting a new thread on an old matter?

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hi Maureen, if you mean the D for Peter Edwin, it is a strange name and not sure it's spelt right but it's Dougdil, not 100% sure as I've never heard of this name before. I think we might be on the right trail with this family as you show that Laura died in Hampshire. I believe some of the family ended up there, but we do know for sure that Peter died there. Itching to get delivery of the birth cert now so things can, with the help of you all, progress. I remember when searching for my family sometimes I was up until 3 in the morning when there was a lead and then go off to work at 7.30.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hi Kathryn,
Any idea what the "D" stands for??


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: Laura B Allum
Birth Date: abt 1889
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1957
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Christchurch
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 225

FreeBMD
Births Mar 1889
Williams Laura Bessie Lewisham 1d 1195

Maureen

Edit: Good heavens-I need a refresher course in refreshing! I'll just delete the 1911...

Thank you once again for all the information, this is much appreciated and very interesting. I have just been informed that Peter died in 2006 in the Hampshire District, buried in Ringwood but death registered Bournemouth. Will come back as and when I have any other information. I managed with the help of some wonderful people on GR to find my family as I was adopted at birth so, as above, all help is much appreciated.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Just for future reference in case marriage is correct.

Laura has a middle name beginning with B, so this looks to be her in 1911:-

WILLIAMS, George Head Married M 46 1865 Verger Hereford Clehonger VIEW
WILLIAMS, Laura Wife Married 25 years F 50 1861 Surrey Guildford VIEW
WILLIAMS, Laura Bessie Daughter Single F 22 1889 Dressmaker's Assistant Kent Sydenham VIEW
WILLIAMS, Madge Emily Daughter Single F 19 1892 Shop Assistant Tobacconist Hants Farnborough VIEW
WILLIAMS, Edwin Charles Son Single M 17 1894 Gardener Jobbing Hants Farnborough VIEW
WILLIAMS, Annie Grace Daughter Single F 15 1896 Kent Beckenham VIEW
WILLIAMS, Dorothy May Daughter F 14 1897 School Kent Beckenham VIEW
WILLIAMS, Ethel Beatrice Daughter F 11 1900 School Kent Beckenham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3654 Reference:
RG14PN3654 RG78PN138 RD42 SD2 ED1 SN119

Registration District:
Bromley Sub District:
Beckenham Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Beckenham

Address:
The Pines 11 Monivea Road Beckenham Kent County:
Kent

8 children:- 7 living and 1 died

........but here again this would need confirmation from the marriage cert.

Just in case you don't have it:-

Name: John G D Allum
Birth Date: abt 1912
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1960
Age at Death: 48
Registration district: Bridgwater
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 7c
Page: 129

There are other Allum births in Medway before the two already posted:-

Births Mar 1906 (>99%)
Allum Jessie Medway 2a 727
Allum William Medway 2a 770

Births Sep 1908 (>99%)
Allum Jennie Medway 2a 761
Allum Sarah Ann Medway 2a 761

but you will need that birth cert. to see who the parents are before you confirm any marriage or other records found.

Thank you Mike, know it's a long shot but just thought I would post a thread.

Kind regards

Kathryn

for ref:-

Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
Allum Peter E D Williams Medway 2a 1139

and probable sibling:-

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Allum John G D Williams Medway 2a 1471

Until you know for definate who Peter's parents were, there's not much use looking for them in 1911.

Buy Peter's birth certificate and take it from there.

IF it turns out that his parents are who you expect them to be, the marriage in question may have been after 5th April, which means they wouldn't be married at the time of the census anyway


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Marriages Jun 1911
Allum John Bromley 2a 1056
Hewlett Winifred Bromley 2a 1056
Stock Frederick P Bromley 2a 1056
Williams Laura B Bromley 2a 1056

Hi, am now on the trail of my sister's husband's family for them. Can anyone please do some research for me as I have (still) no subscriptions. Firstly we have a Peter Edwin D Allum born March 1918 in Medway, Kent. MMN Williams. We think possibly Peter's father was John Allum who married a Laura B Williams in 1911 in Bromley, Kent. Unfortunately this is all we have. Have tried to search the 1911 census as far as I am able without having to subscribe but have had no luck. Not sure if John was born in Kent nor when. Likewise for Laura B Williams if these to indeed are Peter's parents. I have also tried to search City Ark but without knowing exactly which districts Medway and Bromley come under the search is never ending. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards

Kathryn