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there is no easy way to look at the website. If you know the church concerned it is just a case of trawling using freebmd to give an idea of year and qtr

maybe, possibly they had another church when they were little, do you think their children could have been baptised there?

these are isabella and samuels children,

Thomas cooper b.1893
Mary ann Cooper b.1891
William cooper b.1896
mary Emma cooper b.1899
samuel cooper b.1904
vincent cooper b1910 (my granddad)

i can never find anything on that website, do you have any tips?

just had another look - I think Isabella's was 39 & george's 339 Grey Mare Lane (unless one of them was written wrong)

unfortunately I can't find their baptism there

Brilliant thanks so much, yeah its either the same or very similar, that church is popular isnt it, i think we will have to find out where it is and go down.

George's marriage certificate - if I remember rightly George's address the same as that on Isabella's certificate

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12666-54452-59?cc=1788853&wc=10932350

24th Dec 1898

ok no worries that what you put is a great help :) im also looking for george povey his wife was called mary ellen if anyone can help with that?

I can see the image but last time I tried to send one it would not let me, even though it was saved to my computer.

I dont know if they have done something to stop people doing this...or I'm doing something wrong

jax

Thanks so much guys :)

Jax do you have the images for that census, if i message you my email address could you send it to me please?

1911 census - household transcription
Person: WRIGHT, Israel
Address: 88 Hassop St Beswick


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WRIGHT, Israel Head Married M 42 1869 Carter General Lancashire VIEW
WRIGHT, Elizabeth Wife Married
20 years F 43 1868 Lancashire VIEW
WRIGHT, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 17 1894 Cotton Worker Cotton Spinning Lancashire VIEW
WRIGHT, Louise Daughter Single F 13 1898 School Lancashire VIEW
WRIGHT, George Son Single M 9 1902 School Lancashire VIEW
WRIGHT, Edith Daughter Single F 8 1903 Lancashire VIEW
WRIGHT, Alfred Son Single F 3 1908 Lancashire VIEW

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6 children 5 living

this is the link to Elizabeth's marriage certificate to Israel Wright - witness Isabella Cooper

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12580-47959-54?cc=1788853&wc=10932342

16th May 1891

hello, i was wondering if anyone could help me find out more information about Elizabeth Povey, Isabella (my great grandmother)'s sister, she was borm around 1868 in manchester, her father is thomas povey and mother ann povey, i am looking for any information really, i am trying to was forward now to try and find any living relatives, so any help would be much appreciated :)

Hello, does anybody know if you are able to get Electoral Roll records for 1921? I know the census for then isnt due to be released for another 10 years, but i was wondering if i could find that and i could then possibly find out who Mary Ann (1891 my great grandmother) was living with at the time?

Thanks

Yes I have just been going of that really, I hadnt thought that it could be wrong, im getting myself abit muddled up here, with all the different records and what not, why did he have to have such a common name haha!

How do you know his father is called John?? Just because that is what is stated on the marriage cert it may not be correct.

You need Samuels birth cert

I also found this census from 1861

1861 Census Household Record
Address 10, Little Edward Street
Parish Manchester
District Manchester, Deansgate
Administrative County Lancashire
Householder 1
Name Samuel Cooper
Age 38
Estimated Year of Birth 1823
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Railway Porter
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County
Householder 2
Name Harriet Cooper
Age 40
Estimated Year of Birth 1821
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County
Householder 3
Name Elizh Cooper
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1847
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Cone Worker
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County
Householder 4
Name William Cooper
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1849
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Carters Boy
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County
Householder 5
Name John Cooper
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1851
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County
Householder 6
Name Henry Cooper
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County
Householder 7
Name Samuel Cooper
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1855
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County
Householder 8
Name James Cooper
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1860
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Manchester
Birth County

Hmm Im not sure about that i think i might be wrong, this is the census i had found where he was listed as brother there was another samuel on it but he wasnt the right age, but it seems alot of family have the same names

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=john+&gsln=cooper&msbdy=1851&msbpn__ftp=Manchester%2c+Lancashire%2c+England&msbpn=84924&msbpn_PInfo=8-|0|0|3257|3251|0|0|0|5271|84924|0|&msrpn__ftp=Manchester%2c+Lancashire%2c+England&msrpn=84924&msrpn_PInfo=8-|0|0|3257|3251|0|0|0|5271|84924|0|&uidh=uk1&_83004003-n_xcl=f&msbng0=william+&pcat=1881UKI&h=10721745&db=uki1881&indiv=1

1871 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, John
Address: Mount Pleasant, Newton


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COOPER, James Head M 59 1812 Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, Ann Wife F 59 1812 Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, William Son M 33 1838 Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, Mary Daughter F 24 1847 Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, John Son M 20 1851 Cheshire VIEW >>>>coal miner

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Hiya, Ive seen register for that marriage and it says that the mary ann in this record is 27, but it doesnt add up with the 1911 census as she is 20 on that, there is another record for 1920 but not sure if thats right, i think i have had a break through with samuels father john, someone found a census where samuel was listed as a grandson, and a son called william, i found a later census where william has brother listed as john but just a few years younger, that was 1881 but i am still looking for a record for samuel for that year, census is just whoever is in the house on that day isnt it? so possibly he was somewhere else with his mother, i think i have found a census for 1851 for samuels father john but i only have a standard account and ive already spent loads on credits the last few days :-\

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/search.page/results/census_1871/cooper/john?yearofbirth=1851&placekeywords=lancashire&yearofbirthrange=1 if you want to have a look i think its the third from the bottom

possibly???

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1916
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
YOUNG William COOPER Mary Ann Baptist Church,Leigh Wigan & Leigh A67L/1/38

I just noticed on one of the census records that when mary ann (birth year 1891) was 10 they lived on elizabeth street i found a record for a william young (there is speculation in our family that she married a man by this name) who lived on elizabeth street also, I am probably getting ahead of myself but I have just become very excited!! thanks for all your info Jax!!