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Hi again, where have you copied these from? And where it says view is that a link to can click on? X

I'm not sure sorry, there has been talk that my grandfather vin cents, fathers name was young but I have found two records for marriage of a Mary cooper to william young one in Leigh bust the dates don't add up to that on the census, and one in prestwich 1920 but that is a Mary Alice not Ann, sorry I'm not more help,

Yes sorry I think they all seem to be the right one, which seems to confirm Samuels mothers name as Mary, and on the ones where John is lists as the grandfather, possibly the same thing happen there as with my grandfather Vincent, and maybe Samuel was adopted my his grandparents too?

Do you know when she died? did she die as a Cooper?

Do you have any thoughts about the Samuel I found?

Not sure maybe they couldn't think of anything else haha, what do I do if I want help finding information on Mary Ann cooper (my great grandmother birth 1891) am I ok to post that question in this thread? If so what I want to find out is, if there is any records of her living with anyone other than the cooper family after 1910 and if there w anyway of finding out if she got married, would her martial status be on the death certificate perhaps?

Same family living in Dunkinfield where Samuel also mentions on a census

1861 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, John
Address: Tame Valley, Dukinfield


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COOPER, John Head Married M 34 1827 Grocer & Self Acting Minder
Heaton
Derbyshire VIEW
COOPER, Mary Wife Married F 34 1827 Grocers Wife
Raemoir
Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, William Son M 14 1847 Self Acting Piecer
Stalybridge
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Elizabeth Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 7 1854 Scholar
Dukinfield
Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 11 1850 Scholar
Dukinfield
Cheshire VIEW >>>should be 4
GORDON, John Boarder Widower M 63 1798 Labourer
...
Staffordshire VIEW
COOPER, Sarah Visitor Widow F 68 1793 Formerly Cotton Weaver
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW

???

Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
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BAILEY Hannah Ashton 8d 821
Cooper William Ashton 8d 821

??

Births Mar 1870 (>99%)
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COOPER Samuel Buffrey Ashton 8d 432

1871 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, Samuel
Address: Portland Street, Ashton Under Lyne


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COOPER, John Head M 46 1825 Derbyshire VIEW
COOPER, Mary Wife F 46 1825 Derbyshire VIEW
COOPER, E H Daughter F 17 1854 Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, Sarah Daughter F 14 1857 Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, William Son M 24 1847 Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Hannah Daughter-In-Law F 25 1846 Cheshire VIEW
COOPER, Lucy E Granddaughter F 4 1867 Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Samuel Grandson M 1 1870 Lancashire VIEW

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This one has a grandfather called John...maybe he got it wrong on the marriage cert or his father is really john but was called William??

1891 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, Saml
Address: 26, Elliott Street, Bradford, Manchester


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COOPER, Saml Head Married M 20 1871 Iron Labourer
Burnley
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Isabella Wife Married F 21 1870 Machinist
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Mary Ann Daughter F 0 (2M) 1891
Openshaw
Lancashire VIEW
DUMM, Mary Boarder Single F 19 1872 Jack Tenter
Openshaw
Lancashire VIEW

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How strange...why have they got two daughters called Mary??

I could be wrong about the middle name, everyone in our family has always said that was his middle name, but not sure where it came from, so do you think the register above is the right one? and Isabellas maiden is Povey?

1901 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, Samuel B
Address: 9, Elizabeth Street, North Manchester



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COOPER, Samuel B Head Married M 30 1871 Navvy (Outside Works)
Dukinfield
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Isabella Wife Married F 30 1871
Manchester
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Mary A Daughter Single F 10 1891
Openshaw
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Thomas Son Single M 8 1893
Bradford
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, William Son Single M 5 1896
Bradford
Lancashire VIEW
COOPER, Mary E Daughter Single F 2 1899
Clayton
Lancashire VIEW

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beginning to see the pattern now (I did not have authority anywhere to look at the 1911 census for myself). That ties in with the marriage in 1890 on the other thread (image shown at
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12580-48141-20?cc=1788853&wc=10932342
Samuel age 19, Isabella age 20)

It was virtually the last one registered in the qtr! - June 30th

but still not sure where the 'Benjamin' bit comes from

1911 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, Samuel
Address: 130 Cross St Bradford Manchester


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COOPER, Samuel Head Married M 41 1870 Labourer- Bradford Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COOPER, Isabel Wife Married
20 years F 41 1870 Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COOPER, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 20 1891 Ring Spinner At Cotton Mill Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COOPER, Thomas Son M 18 1893 Pit Boy Truck Lad Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COOPER, William Son M 15 1896 Pit Boy Truck Lad Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COOPER, Mary Emma Daughter F 12 1899 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COOPER, Vincent Son M 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Lancashire Manchester VIEW

Hello I have the 1911 census ( http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/records.page/image/e1911rg14/5725507 ) I am 99% sure this is the right one, There is a copy of my grandfather vincents birth certificate, but im not sure who has is now, his dob is 27th sept 1910 and his mother (listed as his sister on the census) is mary ann cooper, but there are no details of his father also the address on the census is the same address on the birth certificate, i will try and find out which member of my family has it now

my post from the other thread

"we arent sure if this man is his father as she wasnt married when my grandfather was born so he was adopted by his grandparents"

does that mean you have identified him on the 1911 census? Do you have Vincent's birth certificate, if so please could you give us the details?

Also I am puzzled as to where the name Samuel Benjamin came from as in all the info we have found he does not have a middle name

to continue:-

There are 2 Vincent Copper's in the indexes

Births Sep 1910 (>99%)
COOPER Vincent Manchester 8d 243

Births Dec 1910 (>99%)
COOPER Vincent Prestwich 8d 389

As you say his birth was 27th Sept either one could be yours as if his birth was registered within 3 days of his birth it would be the Sept qtr one. Anytime after 3 days and it would have been registered in October and therefore the dec qtr one.

edit

The Manchester one probably died so it would be the Prestwich one

Deaths Dec 1910 (>99%)
Cooper Vincent 0 Manchester 8d 145

This is the only birth anywhere near that area

Name: Samuel Benjamin Cooper
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1871
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Inferred County: Cheshire, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 460 (click to see others on page)

nice to hear you are sticking around!!! now to see if we can find your great grandfather!!! all help greatfully received :-)

now do not disappear in a cloud of smoke or we'll all feel awful - or I will anyway - let's see if others think she is the correct one - I'm certainly not the best on here by a long chalk so I'll feel happier if one of our savvier helpers comes on and sees what they think - so hold your horses!!!

and if ever you are not sure about anyting, just ask - I put my foot in it lots of times when I first joined - probably still do if you ask around

I think its just safer to not post any new ones cause I wont be sure if its considered the same person/family so then I wont get in trouble again, this has made me feel really bad cause I didnt know that you werent allowed to do that, I just dont know where to look for stuff so I wanted to get a helping hand, thanks for your help it seems likely that this Mary Ann Taylor could well be the right person x

just keep using this particular thread now and forget about the other one