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Hi Patchem
Sorry for the delay in responding.
I have been trying for over a year to find this Henry. As you say the census do not show a Henry Johns bootmaker for any year and there is no such birth in Soho.
It would seem Henry did not want to be traced or maybe there was a wrong transcription somewhere. Dont know to go from here.
Thanks for looking Dud.

Henry is born 1851 in 1901 and 1861 in 1911 (because he does not want to appear a lot older than Ellen?)

No obvious death for Henry?

I cannot find a bootmaker in 1891 or 1881 or 1871, with birth between 1851 and 1861 born Soho or Westminster.
I cannot find a birth for Henry Johns in St Annes Soho on London Parish baptisms.

Presumably you Mother was told very little about him?

Dudley

Why did you not post the name of Weedon

GB

?
Deaths Sep 1908
WEEDON Charles 38 Farnham 2a 88

No she remarried to a George Sotheran and reverted back to Weedon.
Dud........Regret must sign off now. Will pick up this thread up tommorow

Does Ellen remarry using the surname Johns?

Glitterbaby - sorry, added Weeden to my 1911 above.

I think that Frederick Robert on 1911 census is actually WEEDEN

There is on 1901 census a husband and wife - Charles and Ellen Weeden - Ellen 1874 Farnbourgh

It wqould appear that I can eliminate George/Jane and family .

On my mothers birth certificate it states the farher is Henry Johns. The mother is shown as Ellen Johns but this was untrue. They did not marry although she was using the name Johns. There was another daughter born in 1913 but died soon after. She was also given the name Johns. Henry the bootmaker then vanishes and Ellen does remarry in 1918. Dud.

Oops forgot to refresh

1911 so ages are all different

JOHNS, Henry Head Married M 50 1861 Bootmaker S Annes London VIEW
JOHNS, Ellen Wife Married F 38 1873 Farnborough Hants VIEW
JOHNS, Amelia Daughter F 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Aldershot Hants VIEW
WILDEN, Fredrick Robert Stepson M 2 1909 Aldershot Hants VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3114 Reference:
RG14PN3114 RG78PN113 RD34 SD2 ED5 SN59

Registration District:
Farnham Sub District:
Aldershot Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Aldershot

Address:
53 Perowne St Ashot

getting more and more confused

Henry in 1901 born Soho is an errand boy and not a boot maker in 1911

Can you post the 1911 details that has Amelia

1911
JOHNS, Henry Head Married M 50 1861 Bootmaker S Annes London
JOHNS, Ellen Wife Married F 38 1873 Farnborough Hants
JOHNS, Amelia Daughter F 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Aldershot Hants
WILDEN, Fredrick Robert Stepson M 2 1909 Aldershot Hants

RG number: RG14 Piece: 3114 Reference: RG14PN3114 RG78PN113 RD34 SD2 ED5 SN59
Registration District: Farnham Sub District: Aldershot Enumeration District: 5 Parish: Aldershot
Address: 53 Perowne St Ashot County: Surrey

Added:
Says Weeden on original:
Frederick Robert Weedon
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1908
Registration district: Farnham
Inferred County: Hampshire, Surrey, Sussex
Volume: 2a
Page: 153

What is Henry's Father's name on the marriage certificate - or did he not marry?
What parents' names are on Amelia's birth certificate?
Thanks

1911 this is the same family as the 1901 census posted

JOHNS, Jane Ann Head Widow F 58 1853 Stepney VIEW
JOHNS, George William Son Single M 25 1886 Shop Assistance Soho VIEW
JOHNS, Henry Charles Son Single M 24 1887 Packer Soho VIEW
JOHNS, Albert Francis Son Single M 19 1892 Porter St James VIEW
JOHNS, Joseph Walter Son Single M 17 1894 Hair Dresser Wood Street Essex VIEW
JOHNS, James Robert Son Single M 13 1898 School St Giles Holborn VIEW
BOYLAN, Mary Boarder Single F 68 1843 North Shields VIEW
DERRICK, Arthur Nurse Child Single M 2 1909 Leytonstone VIEW
PRESTON, Thomas Boarder Widower M 61 1850 Carpenter Ledburn Devon VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9711 Reference:
RG14PN9711 RG78PN514A RD188 SD10 ED37 SN153

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
Walthamstow Enumeration District:
37 Parish:
Walthamstow

Address:
24 Greville Road

My grandfather was the bootmaker who says on the 1901 and 1911 census he was born in Soho. On the 1911 he says he was married to Ellen. This was not true. One would think that if he was a bootmaker Journeyman in 1901 then he would have had this proffesion in 1891. However I have never been able to find such a person. The daughetr shown on the 1911 census Amelia was my mother. Dud.


Added. It is the St Anns Soho connection that has me going.

Dud, just for my old brain! You have obviously worked back to Henry born 1887. How have you done this? Do you have his marriage cert for example, or at least know who he married?
Jan

The Henry in Aldershot in 1901 is a journeyman bootmaker, born 1851.
Which Johns are you definitely related to?
Henry, Jane and little John could all have died or be mistranscribed or emigrated, or remarried etc etc.
Thanks

Added:
If he is your grandfather, who was his son or daughter?

Assuming this is a different family...where are Henry and Jane and little Henry in 1901.???

Gliiter Baby.

Has Henry become George and Jane become Janet. The details of the son Henry would tie in with the 1891 census. I'm all confused. Dud.

The census that glitterbaby posted for 1901 appears to show a different unrelated Henry, 1887.
Why should the single Henry in Aldershot be the married Henry from 1891?