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nudge

thats great thank you so much, what a lot of children and diffrent spellings
some of them must have died as some have the same name think mary ann sophia must have died if not where did she vanish to? any idea's? i just don't know what to think so many ann's wish they had been a bit more imaginative, my grandmother was ann as well so they carried it on. your help is very much appriciated
jackie x

This looks like the marriage of the parents of the above children:

ROBERT SYMMONS Pedigree
Marriages:
Spouse: ANN SOPHIA HINDLE Family
Marriage: 16 JUL 1811 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

And Robert's burial (address given as Pancras Place)

Name: Robert Simmonds
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1841
Burial Date: 26 May 1841
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1790
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

I cannot find anything on Mary Ann Sophia after her baptism and the 1851.

Looking for Ann's baptism I found this on the IGI (extracted record)

ANN SIMONES Pedigree

Birth: 31 JUL 1821

Christening: 30 SEP 1821 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
Parents:
Father: ROBERT SIMONES Family
Mother: ANN SOPHIA

and this one (Robert Simmons was a witness to one of the marriages)

ROBERT SIMONES Pedigree
Birth: 31 OCT 1819

Christening: 30 SEP 1821 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
Parents:
Father: ROBERT SIMONES Family
Mother: ANN SOPHIA

These baptisms are also on Ancestry - father Robert is a bricklayer, same occupation as on marriage certs; living at Pancras Place:

Name: Ann Simonds
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1821
Baptism Date: 30 Sep 1821
Father's Name: Robert Simonds
Mother's Name: Ann Sophia Simonds
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras Old St Pancras
Borough: Camden

But there is another baptism on Ancestry for an Ann; same occupation for father and same address:

:Ann Symmonds
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: 30th Nov 1824
Baptism Date: 23 Jan 1825
Father's Name: Robert Symmonds
Mother's Name: Ann Symmonds
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras

On the same page is this one (same parents):

Name: John Symmonds
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: 30 Oct 1822
Baptism Date: 23 Jan 1825
Father's Name: Robert Symmonds
Mother's Name: Ann Symmonds
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden

Borough: Camden


There baptisms for other children with the same parents. This is the list form familysearch:

1. GEORGE SYMMONDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 24 AUG 1826

2. GEORGE SYMMONDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 OCT 1826 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

3. SOPHIA MARY SIMMONDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 NOV 1813 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

4. JOHN SYMMONDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 30 OCT 1822

5. JOHN SYMMONDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 JAN 1825 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

6. MARTHA SIMMONS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 13 JUL 1817 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

7. ANN SIMONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 31 JUL 1821

8. ANN SIMONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 SEP 1821 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

9. ANN SYMMONDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 30 NOV 1824

10. ANN SYMMONDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 JAN 1825 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

11. ROBERT SIMONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 31 OCT 1819

12. ROBERT SIMONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 SEP 1821 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

13. EDWARD THOMAS SYMONDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 22 MAY 1812

14. EDWARD THOMAS SYMONDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 JUL 1812 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

15. ISABELLA SIMMONDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Death: 28 JUL 1815

16. ISABELLA SIMMONDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 JAN 1815 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England


St Pancras isn't quite the right area as Ann always has Lambeth as her POB on the census, but the names look like the right family.

sill me it says she is a servant on the census my only excuse is i was rushing to go out is her father robert on the 1841 census i don't know what his wife was name but they had a son name robert
thank you to all who have helped
jackie

suppose she could have been a servant just don't know have to go out now get back to it later thanks again for your help x

This could be her:

1841 England Census
about Ann Simmons
Name: Ann Simmons
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Gender: Female
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Occupation: Servant
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1058
Book: 7
Folio: 9
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
John Williams 25
Louisa Williams 25
Louisa Williams 6
John Williams 3
Alfred Williams 1
Ann Simmons 14

Sorry.........i can't seem to find an appropriate Ann Simmonds in 1841.

is ann simmonds on 1841 census with her family please?

There is a baptisum for mary ann sophia lane on family search parents james and ann lane so wonder if this is the ann on the 1851 census with her mother if so could she have died before her mother married james fendell .i'm getting a bit confused (doesn't take a lot) with all these ann's
thnks a lot for trying to help much appriecated
jackie

There is no birth showing in freebmd for a Mary Ann Sophia Lane in 1848 or 1849. There are two Mary Ann Lane in Lambeth in Sep 1849:

Births Sep 1849 (>99%)
LANE Mary Ann Lambeth 4 255
LANE Mary Ann Lambeth 4 *4


I can't find Mary Ann in 1861. A Mary Fendell was one of the witnesses to James and Eliza's marriage. There was also a Robert Simmonds as a witness to Ann Eliza's first marriage - not her father as he was deceased so possibly a brother?

To know for sure if Mary is the daughter of your couple would be to buy her B/C

This looks like Ann in the 1851. Sarah Davids, although living at the same address, is in a seperate household. Ann jnr's name isn't actually shown on the image - it is dittoed under her mother. Ann's occupation is Shirts (presumably shirt maker):

1851 England Census
about Ann Lane
Name: Ann Lane
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Mother
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Lambeth

Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 1571
Folio: 152
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Davids 50
Ann Lane 25
Ann Lane 2

nudge

if mary ann sophia lane is the daughter of ann and james what happened to her in 1851 and 1861 census could she have died ? or could this be the ann on the 1851 census with her mother.
hope someone can help with this please
jackie

nudge

yes thats the fathers name on the certs

yes julie have them.




thanks potty suppose this could be the ann who was 2 on 1851 census
as they didn't always use the first name.

Both the marriages are on Ancestry - father Robert Simmon(d)s, bricklayer, deceased.

A possible child of James and Ann - father noted on image as deceased:

Name: Mary Ann Sophia Lane
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1849
Baptism Date: 16 Sep 1849
Father's Name: James Lane
Mother's Name: Ann Eliza Lane
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth