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GlitterBaby
thank you for the info

shelly xxxx

Name: Jane Barber
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Mar 1857
Father's Name: George Barber
Mother's name: Harriet Barber
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers


Birth date given as 12 Feb 1857
1 Dukes Mews
George is a cab proprietor

please can i ask some one to open the Births and Baptisms
for
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish

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Name: Jane Barber
Mother: Harriet Barber
Father: George Barber
Birth: city
Baptism: date - city

thank you xx

hi all sorry for net getting back to you all yesterday
and thank you for all the help you are all giveing me

at the moment i can not 100% comfurm that the richard from east mailling kent is the right richard
but he is the only one that i can find with father also named richard

now marrige cert
marrige took place at st. mark church victoria docks essex
regisration district west ham

richard goodhew age 26 profession labouer liveing 17 emma street
father richard goodhew labouer

jane barber age 22 profession ....... liveing 25 emma street
father george barber labouer

in the presence of
william barber and agnes barber

now my jane father is george and she has a brother william and sister agnes
also william married an agnes


but im woundering why richard was in essex if it is the right man the only thing i can think of is he was on the run



shelly xxx

Yes shortly after the marriage if it's the right Richard. Newspaper reports (accessed with my library card) suggest that on Saturday 27th February 1887 he attacked a woman by the name of Berry, with whom he had been living, with a kitchen knife in a pub in Chatham. He struck at her temple, cut her ear and then her neck. She was taken to hospital in a critical condition. She was the assistant in the lodging house he was staying at and he was jealous when he saw her drinking with another man. He admitted taking the knife along with him with the intention of murdering her. One assumes she survived as it was attempted murder he was tried for.
Julie

I meant to ask whether there were any records !

the year after the Jane Barber marriage

if it was the same Richard

The criminal registers show a Richard Goodhew in court on 5 occasions and each one gave him a prison sentence. The last one was at Lewes Kent on 7th May (EDIT)1887 he was convicted of 'feloniously wounding with intent to murder' for which he was given 20 years penal servitude.
Julie

yes that is the Richard I posted about on page 1


1881
Richd. Goodhew
wife Mary
abt 1853 East Malling, Kent, England
Lodger (Head) (Lodger) Rochester St Margaret, Kent
- in 1891 and 1901 is a prisoner in Portsea
- birth reg 1851 or 1854 Malling

Births Dec 1851
Goodhew Richard Henry Malling 5 390

Births Jun 1854
GOODHEW Richard Luck Malling 2a 343


but that is -a- Richard, we don't know that it is -the- Richard, that is why I am hoping that Shelly will tell us what the marriage certificate tells us about -the- Richard who married Jane Barber, and about his father, etc

Looking for Richard in 1891.

Name: Richd Goodhew
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Convict (Prisoner)
Gender: Male
Where born: East Malling, Kent, England

Civil parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: General Labourer

Condition as to marriage: Married <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsea Town
ED, institution, or vessel: Her Majestys Convict Prison (Portsmouth)
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 862
Folio: 101
Page Number: 9


1901

Name: Richard Goodhew
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Convict (Prisoner)
Gender: Male
Where born: East Malling, Kent, England

Civil parish: Portland
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Grove
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: General Labourer

Condition as to marriage: Single <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Weymouth
Sub-registration district: Portland
ED, institution, or vessel: Portland Convict Estabishment
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1997
Folio: 105
Page Number: 16

Chrissiex

From Ancestry.

Name: Jane Mancktelow
Birth Date: abt 1867
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1922
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 293


Name: Jane Mankelow
Birth Date: abt 1863
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1926
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: West Ashford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1196

there are these two in 1911

searching for Thomas M*low born 1860 +/- 3 years

MANKTELOW THOMAS 1862 49 Eastbourne Sussex

MANKTELOW THOMAS 1860 51 Watford Hertfordshire

but no Jane living with either ...


Deaths Dec 1924 ?
Mancktelow Thomas 62 Limehouse 1c 277

I am still confused ...

how do we know it is your Jane Barber Goodhew who married Thomas Mancktelow in 1911 if you don't have the certificate ? oh I see, same street, well ... still wise to confirm !

is there a death for a Jane Mancktelow that matches your Jane Barber ? ( sorry my Ancestry subscription has expired so I am useless for that , the only one freebmd has is 1922 Chelsea aged 55 )

and how have you concluded that Richard Goodhew was the one I posted about from East Malling and that he was a bigamist ??

it is a plausible theory which is why I suggested it :-) but just a theory ?

what is the information about Richard Goodhew on the marriage certificate please, age, occupation, father, father's occupation ?

if it helps here is thomas in 1901



1901 England Census about Thos Mancktelow
Name: Thos Mancktelow
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Limehouse, London, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Canning Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 225
Piece: 1584
Folio: 138
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Mancktelow 38
Mary A Mancktelow 18
Sarah Mancktelow 17
Annie Mancktelow 14
Horace Mancktelow 10
Albert Mancktelow 8
Florence Mancktelow 6
Mary Pullen 48

no sorry GlitterBaby
its the 1886 cert i have
jane married richard goodhew
it looks like he was a bigamist and born in east maiiling kent and spent a lot of time in prision

i carnt find jane in 1901
and as there is a marrige record for jane goodhew and thomas Mancktelow
i thoult i would have a look at the 1911 census but carnt find that one as well

Can you give full details from the 1911 marriage cert such as age of Thomas and his occupation and address would be useful

UP DATE

i now have the marrige cert for
jane barber and richard goodhew
and it is my jane as father is george barber

also the other marrige to
thomas mancktelow in 1911 is my jane
i now this as her mother and father are liveing in the same streeet as thomas in 1901

so my jane is still missing in 1901 census
pluss i carnt find her in 1911

i also carnt find thomas mancktelow to see if jane is liveing with him

help please thank you xx




this is my jane barber

1881 England Census about Jane Barber
Name: Jane Barber
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Barber
Mother's Name: Harriet Barber
Gender: Female
Where born: Canning TN, Essex, England

Civil parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: 25 Wouldham St

ok so fare i dont think it is the jane maria born 1869
as she is in the 1891 census with her mother

so now we have my jane born 1865 ??

and jane barber born 1961 perants are john and caroline

will now see if i can find another marrige to fit this jane and see if i can find 1891 census to see if it will say sratford or canning town


just gotting it down so i dont for get who in looking for and so every one eals can see were i have got to

hm


1881

George Barber 53
Harriet Barber 46
Charles Barber 26
Eliza Barber 23
Agnes Barber 20
William Barber 18
Jane Barber 16
Mary A. Barber 14
Emma Barber 12
Ann Barber 8
Fred Barber 6
George Barber 3


okay ... couldn't find them in 1871 so I wondered about blended family with different surnames but here they are in 1861 in Plaistow West Ham

George Barber 34
Harriett Barber 24
Charles Barber 7
Harry Barber 5
Eliza Barber 2
Agnes Barber 6 MO
Harry Thomas 24
John Stain 42


but I can't identify Jane's birth ...


1871 in West Ham

George Barber 43
Harriet Barber 35
Charles Barber 16
Harry Barber 14
Eliza Barber 12
Agnes Barber 10
William Barber 8
>> Jenny Barber 6 born Plaistow
Mary A Barber 4
Emma Barber 1


Births Dec 1863
Barber William West Ham 4a 13

Births Dec 1866
Barber Mary A W. Ham 4a 44

no Jane ( or Jenny ) in between

I wonder whether James Q1 1865 is a mistranscribed Jane ? ( the index was retyped long ago from a handwritten index ) ... that James probably died same quarter ...

or whether Jane was really an 'adopted' child

hI chrissiex

think you are right i need the marrige cert to be share

i have seen the info you have given me but it just dont add up to richard geting married in west ham essex

ok marrige cert on the way

thak you xx

a Jane Goodhew married in 1911

Marriages Jun 1911
CROFT Mary A W.ham 4a 389
Donne Charles G W.Ham 4a 389
Goodhew Jane W.Ham 4a 389
Mancktelow Thomas West Ham 4a 389

could have been just before the census and registered after ...

but there is no death of a Richard Goodhew to suit 1886 to 1911

no Richard Goodhew in the Imperial Yeomanry in the Anglo-Boer war c1901

http://www.britishmedals.us/files/iyg.htm


there are three Richard Goodhews in 1881 born 1848-1868

Richard Goodhew
mother Jane
abt 1872 Harwich, Essex, England
Harwich St Nicholas, Essex
- too young, in 1891 is single, on vessel in Essex
- birth reg 1871 Tendring

Richard Goodhew
parents Adam, Emily
abt 1873 East Malling, Kent, England
East Malling, Kent
- too young, in 1891 is in infantry in Maidstone
- I don't see any birth reg

Richd. Goodhew
wife Mary
abt 1853 East Malling, Kent, England
Lodger (Head) (Lodger) Rochester St Margaret, Kent
- in 1891 and 1901 is a prisoner in Portsea
- birth reg 1851 or 1854 Malling


not a large field to choose from for births starting 1840

Births Dec 1851
Goodhew Richard Henry Malling 5 390

Births Jun 1854
GOODHEW Richard Luck Malling 2a 343

Births Dec 1855 ( died 1861 )
Goodhew Richard Sevenoaks 2a 326

Births Mar 1861
GOODHEW Richard Alfred Malling 2a 384


there's no death of a Jane Goodhew 1886 to 2005 to match her birth


before going much farther I think you need the Goodhew Barber marriage certificate to verify that it is actually your Jane


I can only wonder whether the one who ended up in prison had married Jane bigamously ...


here is a death in the right vicinity though

Deaths Mar 1933 ( dob c1851 )
Goodhew Richard 82 Billericay 4a 872