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This is the full 1901 following mgnv's post 05/12/11:

BERESFORD, Wilfred Head Married M 40 1861 Dealer In Cigars London
BERESFORD, Hilda Wife Married F 34 1867 London
BERESFORD, Victoria J S Daughter Single F 7 1894 London
BERESFORD, Mary E G Daughter Single F 5 1896 London
BERESFORD, Horace E Son Single M 4 1897 Nottingham Nottinghamshire
BERESFORD, Gordon A Son Single M 4 1897 NottinghamNottinghamshire
BERESFORD, Charles F J Son Single M 2 1899 Cheshire
BERESFORD, John A S Son Single M 0 (5 MOS) 1901 Liverpool Lancashire
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Registration District: West Derby
Civil Parish: Wavertree

Address: 69, Blantyre Road, Wavertree County: Lancashire

Obviously the same mother and children as in 1911. Now, is it possible that Wilfred Beresford and Michael de Haas are one and the same person? Does the latter perhaps sound more appropriate for selling luxury items like cigars?

The child's surname is not on a birth certificate

It is assumed that his surname is the same as the person named as father (or mother if illegitimate)


so he has been given deHaas as a third forename


His full name then, as registered, is Wilfred Geoffrey deHaas Beresford



sylvia

Here's the GRO index hits for the kids

Births Jun 1894 (>99%)
De Haas Victoria Iris S Wandsworth 1d 616

Births Sep 1895 (>99%)
De Haas Mary Eveline G Poplar 1c 565

Births Mar 1897 (>99%)
Beresford Gordon Alexander Nottingham 7b 311
Beresford Horace Edward Nottingham 7b 311

Births Dec 1898 (>99%)
Beresford Charles Frederick J D Birkenhead 8a 569

Births Dec 1900 (>99%)
Beresford John Arthur S W. Derby 8b 657

Births Sep 1902 (>99%)
Beresford Wilfred Geoffery De H Birkenhead 8a 618

Some local indexes are online via: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
Poplar is under http://www.thbmd.co.uk/ but less than 10% of 1895 is transcribed (and no De Haas hit).

It seems to me there's a couple of plausible scenarios:
1) Michael changed his name for a while for whatever reason
2) Hilda ran off with a workmate of Michael's, but some 10y later, Michael took her back.

In the later case, there ought to be some evidence of Wilf, both pre- and post-1901.

I've got to do the weekly shop now - I'll check back later re the search for Wilf.

the only other Michael de Haas entry in the GRO index

Deaths Sep 1940
De Haas Michael 74 Islington 1b 290

= dob c1866

this has to be the death of our Michael De Haas ?


how about the other children's births
( the births below all match the places of birth in the 1911 census )

Births Jun 1894
De Haas Victoria Iris S Wandsworth 1d 616

Births Sep 1895
De Haas Mary Eveline G Poplar 1c 565

Births Mar 1897
Beresford Gordon Alexander Nottingham 7b 311
Births Mar 1897
Beresford Horace Edward Nottingham 7b 311

Births Dec 1898
Beresford Charles Frederick J D Birkenhead 8a 569


so something happened between 1895 and 1897

the location changed drastically

and the surname changed

there was either a change of name by the father or a change of partner by the mother ... who then went back to her original partner De Haas by 1911 ?


as Marie Celest suggests a change of name by the father seems to make most sense

I wonder though whether Beresford wasn't the real name

hehe

mgnv and I were doing the same thing at the same time and coming up with the same theories ... I will leave mine just because it makes two votes :-D

Michael De Haas is real


1881

Name: Michael De Haas
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

>>> Occupation: Traveller In Cigars

Civil parish: Hamlet
County/Island: London


the head of household was born in Germany

I suspect Michael was too ... unless perhaps he is Myer De Haas born in Whitechapel 1860

the name and location change in the mid-1890s ... one suspects possibly a legal problem ...

Just can't account for info from actual birth cert which is just as I've given it! Mother registered herself as 'Hilda Beresford formerly Macmullen' not Hilda DeHaas, but she gives son's name as 'Wlifred Geoffery deHaas' not Wilfred Geoffery Beresford! According to birth cert son had same name as his registered birth-father but his father was also in Cigar business just like Michael De Haas who married Hilda and later gives WG as his son, which makes me wonder if there was a muddle in registration?

Can anyone find a marriage record for Hilda Macmullen to Wilfred Geoffery Beresford anywhere?

Regards,
George

George as Sylvia said

'Wilfred Geoffrey De Haas' are the -given names- not the surname

( please recall that De Haas is two words, it caused a problem at the outset when you spelled it as one word )

the father's surname was Beresford so that was his surname

it very much looks like Mr De Haas changed his name to Beresford for some reason

muddle in registration doesn't make sense because as we can see
the father's name in the 1901 census was Wilfred Beresford
and
the father's name in the 1911 census was Michael De Haas

and in every other way they look like the same person

the Michael De Haas who married Hilda is in the 1881 census as I showed above ... there is no record of any Wilfred Beresford who would fit the profile

the first two children were registered in the name De Haas

the rest of the children were registered in the name Beresford

but in 1911 the mother and children are living with Mr De Haas

so it doesn't make sense that she would have gone off and had children with another man named Beresford ( one of whom had de Haas as a given name ) and then rejoined Mr de Haas before 1911

the two names have to be the same man

why did he adopt another name ? you may never know, I would guess that he was not actually born in England, or he was but thought his name was too foreign, and wanted to seem less like a foreigner ... de Haas is commonly a Jewish name and that could have had something to do with it ...


you ask again about a marriage of Hilda Macmullen to Beresford ... no one else could find it any more than you could ... and it can't be found beause it did not exist

as has been explained she was married to De Haas ( not to mention living with him in 1911 ) .......... if she had married Beresford her name would have been De Haas not Macmullen ... but since De Haas was plainly still living in 1911 there is almost no possibility that she married a Mr Beresford

that would mean divorcing Mr De Haas ( very difficult in itself ) ... marrying Mr Beresford ... and then going back to Mr De Haas ... and that just makes no sense at all

I would look into this person

Births Jun 1860
DE HAAS Myer Whitechapel 1c 361


1861

Meyer Dehaas
born abt 1860 London, England
Middlesex

I am not subscribed to see details but I have worked out that the household is

Sofia Dehaas 1835 in Amsterdam Holland
Morris Dehaas 1835
Louis Dehaas born 1856 London
Meyer Dehaas born 1860 London

living in St Mary Whitechapel

in 1871 there are also Isaac 1866 and Henrietta 1867

in 1881 Louis De Haas 1857 is with wife Flora in Poplar


I do not see any further record of Myer/Meyer Dehaas / De Haas after 1871 ... or deaths for the parents for example

oh, probably mother's death

Deaths Mar 1879
De Haas Sophia 45 Stepney 1c 383

and this could be Morris remarrying

Marriages Sep 1879
Dehaas Morris Stepney 1c 809
Woodbridge Annie Grace Stepney 1c 809

as there is a Morris Haas in 1881 born 1834 Netherlands a compositor with wife Grace born 1848 Bethnal Green and children named Woodbridge ... but the two Haas children Anne and Hannah don't match up with 1871 ...

... but ... Ann 1862 is a cigar maker in 1881

... as is Hannah 1864 in 1881 ... and someone has corrected her name to Harriet Haas ( no indication of whether that person is related )

Births Dec 1863
DE HAAS Harriet Whitechapel 1c 375

I would check the 1871 census for 'Henrietta' to see whether there are any mistranscriptions, sorry I can't do that

Deaths Mar 1917
De Haas Morris 86 W.Ham 4a 346

The theory that Wilfrid Beresford and Michael de Haas are the same person, with a name change dictated by some outside pressure could be substantiated by all the moving around that the family did between 1891 and 1901


I was taken by the varied places where the children were born! They didn't stay that long in any one place, until they settled in Lancashire around 1900.

I'm not sure about the reason why the name change ......... it's a bit early for a Germanic name to have been dangerous. Possibly the Jewish aspect, although there were many occupations where being of Jewish descent was not a handicap ............. the clothing industry, furriers, and I would think, possibly cigar dealer.

But it could have been some criminal reason.




sylvia

Censuses as requested by chrissie


1861 Census

Name: Meyer Dehaas
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Morris Dehaas
Mother's Name: Sofia Dehaas
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: St Mary Whitechapel
Ecclesiastical parish: Whitechapel St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Whitechapel Church

Morris Dehaas 26 b.ca 1835, Holland, Ommen, Cigar Manufacturer
Sofia Dehaas 26 b.ca 1835, Holland, Amsterdam (nee Sofia Polack added to record)
Louis Dehaas 5 b.ca 1856, Whitechapel
Meyer Dehaas 1
Benedictus Polack 61 b.ca 1800, Holland, Rotterdam, Father-in-law, Ship Agent
Judek Polack 53 b.ca 1808, Holland, Amsterdam, Mother-in-law
Jeannette Polack 24 b.ca 1835, Amsterdam
Rosetta Polack 22 b.ca 1839, Amsterdam, Crochet Work
Josephina Polack 18 b.ca 1843, Amsterdam, Fancy Feather Maker
Lea Polack 16 b.ca 1845, Amsterdam, Fancy Feather Maker
Sofia Adolphus 36 House Servant

Address:- 15 Mount St


1871 Census

Name: Meyer Dehaas
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Morris Dehaas
Mother's Name: Sophia Dehaas
Gender: Male
Where born: Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Mary Whitechapel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Whitechapel Church

Morris Dehaas 39 b.ca 1832, Holland, Cigar Manufacturer (Master)
Sophia Dehaas 39 b.ca 1832, Amsterdam
Louis Dehaas 15 b.ca 1856, Spitalfields, Middlesex
Meyer Dehaas 11
Isaac Dehaas 5 b.ca 1866, Spitalfields
Henrietta Dehaas 4 b.ca 1867, Spitalfields
Maria Saroke 54 Domestic Servant
Eliza Jacobs 18 Domestic Servant
Philip Green 19 Cigar Maker Journeyman

Address:- (very faint & hard to read) ?? Road Side 222



sylvia

well, Morris de Haas married Annie Woodbridge


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Morris Dehaas

Name: Morris Dehaas
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 <<<<<<WRONG!
Spouse Name: Annie Grace Woodbridge
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Sep 1879
Parish: Limehouse St Anne
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Elias Dehaas
Spouse Father Name: Patrick Read
Register Type: Parish Register

from image:-

Morris
Of Full Age
Widower
Occupation:- Cigar Manufacturer
Address:- Limehouse
Father occupation:- Butcher

Annie
Of Full Age
Widow
no occupation given
Address:- Limehouse
Father occupation:- Inland Revnue Officer

Witnesses:- Stewart (I think!) Williams and Sophie Williams



From a tree on ancestry, Morris de Haas, wives and children


Spouse & Children

1. Sophia 1832 –

Louis Dehaas 1856 –
Meyer Dehaas 1860 –
Isaac Dehaas 1866 –
Henrietta De haas 1867 –


2. Annie G S
1848 –

Anne Haas 1862 – *****
Hannah Haas 1867 – *****
Frances Woodbridge 1868 – <<<<<<<<< Annie's child
Thomas Woodbridge 1869 – <<<<<<<<< Annie's child
Lilley De Haas 1882 –
Violet De Haas 1885 –
Ruby M De Haas 1891 –


***** were these two born to Annie Grace, while Sofia was still alive???



1891 Census

Name: Morris De Haas
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie G Haas
Gender: Male
Where born: Holland

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls Bow Common
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern

Morris De Haas 58 Cigar Manufacturer
Annie G Haas 43 b.ca 1848, Ireland
Lilly Haas 9 b.ca 1882, London, Limehouse
Violet Haas 6 b.ca 1885, Stepney
Ruby M Haas 4/12 b.ca 1890, Mile End Old Town
Thomas Woodbridge 22 b.ca 1869, Clapham, Stepson, Halter (???)
Caroline Wheeler 24 Servant

Address:- 87 Turners Rd



sylvia

according to a public family tree on ancestry John's full name was John Arthur Stanley Jack DeHaas

he could appear on records using any of those names!



and I found military records for Charles Frederick Joseph De Haas, but not John Arthur


Charles Frederick lived at 51 Cecil Road, Upton Manor when he enlisted on 2 October 1916, age 17 years 11 months (although the next page says 18 years 6 months). He was a Book Keeper.

His next-of-kin was Hilda De Haas, same address.

Discharged as no longer physically fit for war service, 12-08-20



I would have expected more than one of the De Haas children to have been in WW1, but perhaps their records are among the 70% that ahve not survived.





sylvia

De Haas doesn't sound jewish to me, just Dutch.

I'm persuaded by Charles & Wilfred having the name De Haas (or Dehaas) that their dad must be Michael (renamed).

Grace also had another son:

Births Dec 1867 (>99%)
Woodbridge Francis Ellis Wandsworth 1d 459

Births Dec 1868 (>99%)
WOODBRIDGE Thomas Herbert Wandsworth 1d 484

Births Dec 1869 (>99%)
Woodbridge Leighton Lloyd Dartford 2a 357


Deaths Mar 1875 (>99%)
WOODBRIDGE Francis 39 Dartford 2a 273

1881 Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John T. BELL Headmaster M Male 32 Kensington, Middlesex, England Schoolmaster & Clerk In Holy Orders M D
(Continued)
Leighton Lloyd WOODBRIDGE Scholar Male 11 Bexley, Kent, England Scholar
(Continued)
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Source Information:
Institution "Christs Hospital Hertford School"
Census Place Hertford St John, Hertford, England
Family History Library Film 1341346
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1425 / 108
Page Number 1
Registration district: Hertford
Sub-registration district: Hertford

Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
Bendrey Ernest Edward W. Ham 4a 48
East Elizabeth W. Ham 4a 48
>>Stewart Ada Helena W. Ham 4a 48
>>WOODBRIDGE Leighton Lloyd W. Ham 4a 48

Births Sep 1908 (>99%)
Woodbridge Leighton Ellis L W. Ham 4a 313
[L=Lloyd]

Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%)
Cleathero Decima R Woodbridge Hove 2b 866
Woodbridge Leighton E L Cleathero Hove 2b 866

Deaths Sep 1943 (>99%)
Woodbridge Leighton L 73 Chichester 2b 468

actually mgnv De Haas is definitely Jewish in some cases ( likely not exclusively )

when I was googling and went to look at a family tree it was quite unsettling to see something I had never encountered before just like that in a famly tree ...

'died 1943 Auschwitz'

trying to find it again now and googling De Haas Auschwitz ... finds several similar records ...


the names Morris, Louis, Isaac and Meyer very strongly indicate that this was a Jewish family

and if Michael De Haas was in fact born in England I think it is fairly certain this is his family, given all the details posted by Sylvia above


as for Annie Grace Woodbridge's children named De Haas born before the Woodbridge children ... I wonder whether someone hasn't just taken that info from the census and they were really Morris's children with Sofia ... a child aged 19 when Annie is 33 is a little suspect ... but where were Anne 1862 and Hannah 1867 in 1871 ?


Deaths Dec 1916
De Haas Annie G 68 Romford 4a 547

= dob c1848

can't identify births for Anne and Hannah ...


here is Annie Grace Woodbridge in 1871

Grace A Woodbridge
abt 1848 city, Ireland
Kent

she is married ( although I do not see a marriage ) ... her husband is

Francis Woodbridge
abt 1836 city, Surrey, England
city, Kent

children Francis E 1868, Thomas 1869 and Leighton L 1870 are living with them ... so it seems Anne and Hannah De Haas were not her children


here we are

groom's name: Francis Woodbridge
bride's name: Annie Grace Read
marriage date: 31 Dec 1866
marriage place: Falkirk,Stirling,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11479-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

Deaths Mar 1875
WOODBRIDGE Francis 39 Dartford 2a 273

George - check out your own b.cert.
Note it doesn't explicitly say you're George De Haas. What it does say is you're George Clive.

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Re Morris & Annie's marr witnesses
In 1871, Annie also had a visitor:

RG10/880 41 34 WILLIAMS, Abegail Dartford VIEW VIEW
Abigail Williams abt 1846 city, London, England Visitor city, Kent

I don't know if there's any connection.

Hi all,
Now I've got both the birth and death cert's for Wilfred and researched Beresford I think I've solved my own problem at last! Birth cert shows 'Wifred Geoffery deHaas' born 14 Aug 1902 Liscard, Wallasey (reg dist Birkenhead, Chester which hold records for Liscard) and b/c gives his parents as Wilfred Geoffery Beresford 'Cigar Dealer (Master)' & 'Hilda Beresford formerly Macmullen'. The death cert for Wilfred (jnr, i.e the one born 1902) gives date of death 31 July 1987 in Margate, Thanet, Kent and his name registered in d/c as "Wilfred Geoffery Hayes otherwise Wilfred Geoffery De Haas Beresford".

The 1901 census shows Hilda and her 'husband' Wilfred Beresford' (i.e. Wifred Geoffery Beresford snr) 'Cigar Dealer' living together as a 'married' couple, with six children (including my mother husband John A S Beresford (i.e John Arthur Stanley Beresford but who on his marriage record for his marriage to my mother Gladys Annie Edwards gave his surname name as 'De Haas' and his 'father' as Michael De Haas 'Cigar Manufacturer') I have also found, in the subsequent 1911 census 'Hilda De Haas' (i.e Hilda Beresford) This time as the wife of Michael De Haas 'Cigar Dealer' with all of Hilda's same children as in 1901 census but now including Wilfred jnr age 8yrs born Egremont, Cheshire.

When Hilda married Michael she registered as 'Spinster' which seems to indicate she may not have been married or lied because she was still married but had separated from WGB (snr). I now believe that although all of Hilda's children had William Geffery Beresford (Snr) as their birth-father Michael De Haas either adopted them, formerly or informerly, as his own (I now also recall that my mother might have mentioned her husband John was an adopted child) This explains why I had not previously been able to find birth records for John and his siblings registered under 'De Haas' because he was only their 'father' by adoption, but I have now found their birth records under Beresford which match the 1901 & 1911 ages and birth places for all the children including John & his siblings inc his younger brother Wilfred.

The related 'cigar business' connection is another common link between WGB snr and Michael DeHaas, so perhaps they were in business together or knew each other through that business and both knew Hilda.

I thought it might be useful to others interested in same people to see this info here in order to aid their own Beresford or DeHaas research.

Next family tree technical question: How can I change father of the children on Ancestry without deleting Michael De Haas as the husband of Hilda and loosing all his records and his De Haas branch on my family tree? I need to amend it to show Hilda with two 'spouses' (married or unmarried partners) but only to show WGB as ALL her childrens father. Do I have to delete them all and start that part of my tree again from scratch? If there is any easy solution this might also help others too with same tree amendment prob.

Thanks again for all the above research and input.

Regards,
George

GEORGE


Wifred Geoffery Beresford is the SAME person as Michael De Haas


Hilda did not move from one to the other, then back again. The father of her children was/is the same man, but he was using a different name for a period of time


For some reason that we cannot figure out, Michael De Haas began to use the name William Geoffery Beresford around the time of the 1901 Census ....... Unfortunately, we donot really any means of telling when that began or ended.


But by 1911, the need for the name change had gone away, and he reverted back to using his real name of Michael De Haas.


There is no "adoption" of any of the children by either Beresford or De Haas.


There is the using of a name which was not theirs, for some unknown purpose.


It is not illegal to adopt another name, as long as it is not with any illegal intent (such as committing a crime).


You may find that the change to Beresford, and then back again to De Haas, coincides with a move to another town ..... such a move would make it very easy to "change" one's name!


which is why I said earlier that I was intrigued by the variety of places they lived, as shown in the birth places for the children.



sylvia

From jax's 27/10/11 01:39 post

DE HAAS, Charles Son Single M 12 1899 Schooling Seacombe Cheshire VIEW
DE HAAS, Wilfred Son Single M 8 1903 School Egremont Cheshire VIEW

From my 5/12/11 03:24 post, we know they were both rego'ed in the Wallasey subdistrict of Wirral RD (then Birkenhead RD).

A lookup on http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ shows Seacombe on the Mersey opposite the Liver Bldg, Egremont 2 km N of it, and Liscard 1km W of Egremont
NB the blue grid lines are 1km apart.

I always like to check out the pics:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/SJ3192
[Trafalgar Rd is 200m S of the 3 churches, and 100m S of Gibson's House]

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I don't have the sub for these:

Exact Search Results - London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
You searched for *Haas Refine your search[in 1888]
View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Event Date Spouse Name Parish View Images
View Record Michael De Haas year date name surname parish
View Record Hilda Macmullen year date name De Haas parish

Exact Search Results - England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941
View Record Name Probate Year Death Date Death Place View Images
View Record Annie Grace De Haas year dd mm 1916 location
View Record Morris De Haas year dd mm 1917 location


Exact Search Results - British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birth Parish Birth County Number of images View Image
View Record Charles Frederick Joseph De Haas year info
[see Sylvia's post 10/12/11 06:37]

Exact Search Results - England, Alien Arrivals, 1810-1811, 1826-1869
You searched for *Haas Refine your search
Viewing 1-50 of 201
[Several potentially interesting hits]

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If I were to believe Wilfred & Michael were different guys, I'ld still have a bit of bother assuming Wilfred was the father of the 2 girls rego'ed as De Haas, and not Beresford.

grrrrrrrrrr

just lost the whole flippin' lot!!


Here's the information from those records that mgnv found. I though we had already posted them!


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Michael De Haas

Name: Michael De Haas
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Spouse Name: Hilda Macmullen
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 May 1888
Parish: Deptford St Mark
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: Morris De Haas, Cigar Manufacturer
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Macmullen, Colonel in Army
Register Type: Parish Register

Michael's occupation:- Agent
Address (for them both):- 464 New Cross Road

Witnesses:- William Rainsbury (??Bainsbury) and Sarah Jane Rainsbury



England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941 about Annie Grace De Haas

Name: Annie Grace De Haas
Probate Date: 30 Nov 1916
Death Date: 9 Oct 1916
Death Place: Essex, England
Registry: London

From image:- De Haas, Annie Grace, of 246 Thorold Road, Ilford, Essex (wife of Morris De Haas) died 9 October 1916. Probate [granted] London 30 November 1916 to the said Morris De Haas, retired Cigar Manufacturer. Effects £3380 4s 11d


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941 about Morris De Haas

Name: Morris De Haas
Probate Date: 6 Jun 1917
Death Date: 24 Jan 1917
Death Place: Essex, England
Registry: London

From image:- De Haas, Morris, of 559 High Road, Leytonstone, Essex, died 24 January 1917. Probate [granted] London 6 June 1917 to Leighton Lloyd Woodbridge, manufacturer. Effects £3894 3s 4d



You have to buy the wills to see any more detail, ie, whether they left any legacies, named any beneficiaries, etc





sylvia