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In the 1871 Census

Carline Beadle is Catherine Mary Ann Butcher

She married George Thomas Beadle. Sept quarter 1874

from beta.familysearch

England Marriages, 1538–1973 for Catherine Mary Ann Butcher

Groom's Name: George Thomas Beadle
Groom's Birth Date: 1848
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 26
Bride's Name: Catherine Mary Ann Butcher
Bride's Birth Date: 1850
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 24
Marriage Date: 21 Sep 1874
Marriage Place: St. Margaret Next Rochester, Kent, England
Groom's Father's Name: John Beadle
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Edward Butcher
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01080-0
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1835969
Reference Number: Pg 225




sylvia

and this also looks like them in 1871 .... an alternative name has been sent in for Elizabeth


it is Butcher on the image, despite the various transcriptons!

1871 Census

Elizabeth Botcher
[Elizabeth Butcher]
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Strood, Kent, England
Civil parish: Strood
Town: Strood
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: North Aylesford
Sub-registration district: Strood

Elizabeth Botcher 43 Widow, Fish Heander (??)
Carline Beadle 20 b.ca 1851, Strood, Daughter, Married
George Beadle 20 b.ca 1851, Maidstone, Kent, Married, Son-in-Law, Bargehand
William Batcher 12 b.ca 1859, Strood
John T Batcher 9 b.ca 1862, Strood
George Beadle 1 b.ca 1870, Sittingbourne, Kent, Grandson (shows on record as Little Bookham, but is Sittingbourne on image)

Address:- 10 Meeting Alley



sylvia

?????????Edward and unnamed wife in 1861 .... wife's name is just shown as ? on the image


1861 Census

Name: Edward Butcher
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: ? Butcher
Gender: Male
Where born: Frindsbury, Kent, England

Civil parish: Strood
Town: Strood
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: North Aylesford
Sub-registration district: Strood

Edward Butcher 38 Coal Heaver (???or Hewer)
? Butcher 36 b.ca 1825, Strood
Mary Ann Butcher 10 b.ca 1851, Strood
William Butcher 2 b.ca 1859, Strood
John Butcher 4 MO b.ca 1861, Strood




sylvia

These are the children as shown on a Public Family Tree on ancestry .......... the accuracy of these is uncertain!


Catherine Mary Ann Butcher
1851 –

Edward Robert Butcher
Birth Before 29 September 1853 in Strood Near Rochester, Kent, England
Death Before DEcember 31, 1853 in Aylesford, Kent,England

George Thomas Butcher
1858 – 1861

William Stephen Butcher
–

John Butcher
1861 –

Elizabeth Ann Butcher
1864 –



I have so far been unable to find any of them on any census.




sylvia

Other possible siblings, from the familysearch site

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

John Thomas Butcher
christening: 31 Mar 1861 Strood, Kent, England
residence: Strood (near Rochester), Kent, England
parents: Edward William Butcher, Betsy Ann Butcher


Elizabeth Ann Butcher
christening: 19 Jun 1864 Strood, Kent, England
residence: Strood (near Rochester), Kent, England
parents: Edward William Butcher, Betsey Ann Butcher


Edward Robert Butcher
christening: 29 Sep 1853 Strood, Kent, England
residence: Strood (near Rochester), Kent, England
parents: Edward William Butcher, Betsy Ann Butcher


Catherine Mary Ann Butcher
christening: 28 Sep 1851 Strood, Kent, England
residence: Strood (near Rochester), Kent, England
parents: Edward William Butcher, Betsy Ann Butcher




sylvia

There are two baptism records for William Stephen, on the beta.familysearch site.

One has him as William Stephen.

The other is this one

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 for William Stevens Butcher

Name: William Stevens Butcher
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 05 Feb 1860
Baptism/Christening Place: Strood, Kent, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Edward William Butcher
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Betsy Ann Butcher
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02218-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 992463
Reference Number: yr 1841-1865 p 80




sylvia

George and Hester/ Esther in 1851:

KINGSNORTH, George Head Married M 53 1798 Fisherman Strood
Kent
KINGSNORTH, Esther Wife Married F 48 1803 Strood Kent
KINGSNORTH, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 17 1834 At Home Strood
Kent
KINGSNORTH, Thomas Son M 11 1840 Scholar Strood Kent
KINGSNORTH, Ellen Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar Strood
Kent
KINGSNORTH, Ann Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar Strood Kent
EYRES, Stephen Lodger M 12 1839 Scholar Strood Kent

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Piece:
1609 Folio:
468 Page:
25 Registration District:
North Aylesford

Civil Parish:
Strood Media Municipal Borough:
Rochester

Address:
High Street Meeting Alley, Strood Media, Rochester County:
Kent


and in census 1841:

KINGSNORTH, George M 40 1801 Kent
KINGSNORTH, Esther F 35 1806
KINGSNORTH, George M 15 1826 Kent
KINGSNORTH, Elizabeth F 14 1827 Kent
KINGSNORTH, Esther F 12 1829 Kent
KINGSNORTH, William M 9 1832 Kent
KINGSNORTH, Jane F 7 1834 Kent
KINGSNORTH, John M 5 1836 Kent
KINGSNORTH, Ellen F 3 1838 Kent
KINGSNORTH, Thomas M 0 (9 months) 1841 Kent

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Piece:
491 Book/Folio:
10/9 Page:
13 Registration District:
Aylesford, North

Civil Parish:
Strood Municipal Borough:

Rochester Address:
Taylor's Lane P B, Strood, Rochester County:
Kent

Edward William's parents marriage?

Edward Butcher married Catherine Rich

01 DEC 1817 Strood Near Rochester, Kent, England

and Betsey Ann's :

George Kingsnorth married Hester Eyer

06 JUL 1822 Strood Near Rochester, Kent, England

Both IGI extracted records.

Terence should unmark it as answered :-)

the thread can just continue to be used for any further questions that arise, if none do it will just sink down the board no harm done, Terence

Terence pmed me with request for 1881 census - hadn't realised at the time he'd already started another thread on the same topic.

Edward William Butcher had died in 1868, so I sent Terence IGI baptisms for children and 1861 census, as this thread had already been marked as answered, and i wasn't sure what to do for the best - it's too late/early to think straight...

and another one

http://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1284260

Terence you need to read the rules here, please do as it says and read the post at the top of this board called 'please read before posting' in big capital letters

your other thread asks for the 1881 census for these same people

the 1881 census is free on line at various places

the easiest one to use is at Ancestry

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=7572

we could do it for you but it is much more interesting to do it for one's self

you can also search all other censuses there free

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/group/ukicen/UK_Census_Collection.aspx

you just can't see all details but there is a lot you can do anyway ( it is what I will be doing when my subscription expires at the weekend ! )

Probable for Edward William Butcher

Christened 05 JUN 1825 Frindsbury, Kent, England

Parents Edward Butcher and Catherine.

(IGI extracted record)

Frindsbury and Strood are extremely close on the map.

IGI extracted record for christening of Betsey Ann Kingsnorth

19 AUG 1827 Strood Near Rochester, Kent, England

Parents George Kingsnorth and Hester

Terence

Maybe your date was a typo error?

Births marriages and deaths from 1837 up until about the mid 1950s can be found here for free

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

You only needed to put Edwards name in and marriage was easily found

IGI extracted record:

Edward William Butcher married Betsy Ann Kingsworth

20 OCT 1850 Strood Near Rochester, Kent, England

It does say Kingsworth on the IGI transcription, but it may have been mistranscribed.

Thanks Lynski, I thought that I was losing the plot! I knew I had posted a reply but could not see it here!

Duplicate post but what I had asked and had answered was:

Hi Terence, is it likely that William was not born until 29 years later? Are there any other siblings etc?

Response

No have no other siblings at this stage. William Stephen (Steven on marriage cert) is age 21 on his marriage to Caroline Parardine in 1880.in Kent

Not sure why two posts in differing spots, but all teh best for your search :-)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1284256

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Edward William Butcher Name: Edward William Butcher
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1850
Registration district: North Aylesford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 5
Page Number: 637 (click to see others on page)



Elizabeth Carnell Oct-Nov-Dec 1850 North Aylesford Kent
Thomas Hurley Oct-Nov-Dec 1850 North Aylesford Kent
Betsy Ann Kingsnorth Oct-Nov-Dec 1850 North Aylesford Kent
James Ladson Oct-Nov-Dec 1850 North Aylesford Kent
Eliza Mott Oct-Nov-Dec 1850 North Aylesford Kent

Vera

Betsys maiden name was Kingsnorth
Terry

Do you mean they were both called Butcher?

Meg