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just on the off chance that it would help

1911 census - address transcription
Address: 6 Australian Place King Edward Street Grimsby

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

FENWICK, Ann Head Widow F 68 1843 Hirton Lincolnshire
KIRK, Mary Jane Boarder Married F 47 1864 Laceby Lincolnshire


Mrs Fenwick had been married 37 years and had 2 children, both alive in 1911

Mrs Kirk had been married 17 years, 4 children to marriage, all had sadly died

Allan, I'm not so sure about it being the end of the war - it started 1914 so they'd had plenty time before then!

You mentioned there was uncertainty about Emily Maud's legitimacy - I'm wondering if, for whatever reason, James and Mary weren't free to marry until some time after the children were born (perhaps because one or other of them was actually still married to someone else?). Once they were free to marry they may then have decided to put things on a proper footing and get the children baptised while they were on.

Pure hypothesis, but what if Mary were married to someone else and that person died in WW1 leaving her free to marry James?

This may explain why we can't find children's birth records as they may have been registered in Mary's married name.

I thought the same about the length of time after her birth for the baptism. Maybe something to do with the end of the war! Her birth date was confirmed as 23/07/1904. Their address was 6 Australian Place King Edward Street. There were no godparents indicated on the certificate

Marys age at death was 82 years on the headstone, she died April 1947. I can only asume she died in the Wakefield area, one because she was buried there & two because Emily lived with husband Lewis Green there.

Hi Allan, that may be very useful. Does the baptism cert confirm her actual date of birth? (Bearing in mind she seems to have been baptised 14 years after she was born). Wonder why they waited so long to get her baptised?

Is there any other useful info on the certificate like address, godparents, etc?

The reason I wanted to know where Mary died was to try to find her death record to confirm her age at death.

Hello everyone, I don't know if this will help. I now have Emily Maud Harrisons' Baptism certificate. She was baptised at St. James (Church) Great Grimsby Lincolnshire on 31/07/1918, father James & mother Mary.

I don't know where she died, only that she is buried in the same grave plot as her daughter Emily & son Albert in East Ardsley Wakefield West Yorkshire. I got the surname searching for the marriage of James Harrison to Mary, I did not know her surname then & probably still don't. I found reference to a James Harrison marrying a Mary Donlan on the Free BMD site.

No Allan, I mentioned on the first page that I couldn't find them.

I don't think you've answered yet as to where you got the surname of Doland for Emily's mother, or where it was she died in 1947.

Can't take it any further until you let us know.

I cannot find a 1901 census for James & Mary Harrison

Did I say she was born 1908. If so I am sorry, she was definitely born in 1904.

I always believed Emily was from Slough Berkshire, which is why I think the 1911 census is the correct family. How my Grandparents met I don't know. Whether Grans family moved up to Leeds or my grandfather was stationed down in Berkshire in the army I just don't know

just throwing that date of birth in the mix for 1904


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Emily Maud Lee
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1904
Registration district: Knaresborough
Inferred County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 123



1911 census

Address: 20 Albany Road Bilton Harrogate

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

LEE, John Henry Head Married M 59 1852 Joiner Journeyman Yorks Kirby Moorside Yorkshire
LEE, Emily Wife Married 16 years F 50 1861 Yorks Leeds Yorkshire
RATHKE, William Ernest Son Single M 28 1883 Joiner Journeyman Yorks Leeds Yorkshire
LEE, Ethel Daughter Single F 29 1882 Waitress Cafe Yorks Harrogate Yorkshire
LEE, Alfred Stoke Son Single M 27 1884 Plasterer Yorks Harrogate Yorkshire
LEE, Dennis Son Single M 15 1896 Apprentice Jeweller Yorks Harrogate Yorkshire
LEE, Douglas Arthur Son M 13 1898 School Yorks Harrogate Yorkshire
LEE, Doris Daughter F 11 1900 School Yorks Leeds Yorkshire
LEE, Emily Maude Daughter F 6 1905 School Yorks Harrogate Yorkshire

Allan, the death record gives her birth year as 1904, but you say birth 1908?

(EDIT: Birth years on death records are only as reliable as the information given by the informant - I got my own father's wrong).

Yes they are my grandmothers birth & death records, 23.07.1908 & 30.09.1990 respectively.

Yes, most families have those skeletons!

I know such info is hard to come by, but do you at least know what part of the country the family were from/lived in?

Is Kingston upon Thames a likely area, or are they from Yorkshire?

Mystery has always shrouded the staus of my grandmothers legitimacy. She was always a little slow in coming forwards when the subject came up & always happy when the subject changed apparently. I have had difficulty all along with the Harrison line. The 1911 family matches my knowledge of two of the children Emily & her brother Albert, but there could be another family Harrison with two siblings with the same name. I am sorry I cannot give anymore information, as I just don't have it.

Allan, might this be your Emily Maud's death?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: Emily Maud Green
Birth Date: 23 Jul 1904
Date of Registration: Sep 1990
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Wakefield
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Volume: 5
Page: 1330

If so, at least gives us an actual birth date to work from.

???

Marriages Dec 1924
Green Lewis E Harrison Wakefield 9c 18
Harrison Emily M Green Wakefield 9c 18

Emily Maude was my grandmother. She became E M Green. Her father was identified only as a labourer on the marriage certificate, I don't have her birth certificate yet. I do not know any details about Marys' marriage to Mr Kelly, other than the surname on the family headstone.

I cannot find any of the children's births!

Allan, have just seen your response and agree you need to have a re-think!

To get you on the right track - are you 100% sure that the 1911 family is yours?

Which one of the children is your grandparent?

We're happy to help unravel this mystery but need more info from you.