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Thanks Gillian.

Was just a hope that it may have been who we were looking for.

I think Mel that that Gertrude living West Derby in 1891 is the one who married Thomas John Grimmette there in 1893 -they are together with several children in 1901

Found this?????

1891 England Census
about Gurtrude Bartlett
Name: Gurtrude Bartlett
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Mitchel Meary, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Walton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:General Servant Domestic

Condition as to marriage:Single

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby (Rural)
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2997
Folio: 97
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur E Povey 32
Susian R Povey 31
Emily M Povey 11
Ada G Povey 9
Arthur R Povey 4
May Povey 2
Thomas G Povey 6/12
Gurtrude Bartlett 18 *****************
Annie M Galvin 20

Michele,
Thanks for the information about the cemetery.
Always best to get the certificates as there is additional useful information in them and hopefully clears up misunderstandings.

I wonder if this is Arthur with his parents. John the father is a boiler maker.

1881 England Census
about Arthur Taylor
Name: Arthur Taylor
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Taylor
Mother's Name: Caroline Taylor
Gender: Male
Where born: Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Tipton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 10 Keelings St
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Tipton
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2865
Folio: 108
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
John Taylor 33 1848 Birmingham
Caroline Taylor 24 1857 Tipton, Staffordshire
Arthur Taylor 10 1871 *******
George Taylor 7 1874 Tipton, Staffordshire
Nellie Taylor 5 1876 Tipton, Staffordshire
John Taylor 3 1878 Derbyshire

My dad said Arthur is buried in Heathtown Cemetery. I think as this is complicated i will order Richard Dennis' birth and death certs and see where that takes me. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP

i was only answering your question which was
>>>So where did the information about Heathtown come from?<<<<
as i thought you were asking me

I think the only way to be sure is to order Richard Dennis Taylor's birth certificate (the reference is given earlier).

Kath. x

I know Michele mentioned Heath Town on page 1, I was questionning how accurate the source of that information was. If Heath Town is close to Bilston then they could have died in hospital in the wrong area, or whilst staying with other family members, even if they lived in Heath Town.

Michele mentioned Heathtown on page 1

I posted the death of an Arthur Taylor died 1947, age 75, in Bilston.
So where did the information about Heathtown come from?
However, as the children are correct in 1911, then somewhere someone is mixing things up.
Heath Town to Bilston is only about 5 miles, so easy to die in the wrong one?

You knew that Gertrude was born about 1870 (from your opening post), so where did that age come from if you believed Arthur was 1880?

Ok......But the only death that is showing where you say he died is this one....but he is not old enough to be the one in the census with Gertrude nor was he born in 1882 like your Dad says

Deaths Jun 1947 (>99%)
Taylor Arthur C 59 Wolverhampton 9b 764

Wolverhampton covered Heathtown in 1947
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How have you that Richards parents were Arthur & Gertrude

I dont have Arthur death cert but i do know he died in 1947

But if he was born in 1882 would he have had a child in 1895/6

Have you Arthur's D/C

oh very strange, my dad did say he was born abt 1882 , but because tha census said he was born in 1871 i just stayed with that date

Can i just asked cos the only death i can see for an Arthur that died in 1947 & registered in Wolverhampton was 59 so his age isn't matching to a man born in 1871

This is a Bartlett who is in the approximate right area in 1891, but called Lizzie- cannot see her birth on free bmd
Probably totally wrong, but just for consideration as why was she in Wolverhampton from Cheltenham?
1891 England Census
Lizzie Bartlett
Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Wolverhampton Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England
Registration district: Wolverhampton Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Piece: 2231 Folio: 13 Page Number: 19

Moses Bray 47
Annie Elizth Bray 24
Mary Louisa Bray 16
Florence Emily Bray 14
Amy Gertrude Bray 12
Alice Maud Bray 10
Lizzie Bartlett 22 servant
Mary Pettitt 21

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2231; Folio 13; Page 19; GSU roll: 6097341.

Ok i know Arhtur Taylor married Nancy, who on census turned into Gertrude, and all i knew was they had these children
Richard Dennis
Gladys
Edith
Jack
Jeff, who must be Godfrey.

Arthur was an Engineer, so the 1901 and 1911 census all fitted EXECPT Gertrude !

If you look on free bmd for Bartlett births in Cheltenham, there is not really a Nancy either.
This is about the nearest to a possible Gertrude:
Births Mar 1869
Bartlett Martha Margaret G Cheltenham 6a 434
Also I could not find her in the censuses, but had not tried under Nancy.
I think you had better get one of the children's birth certificates for confirmation and information, and then we can have another go.

If you dont have Richards birth cert how do you now his parents were Arthur & Gertrude?