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Found this could it be connected.??

1891 West Battersea D58 18 5,Dulka road.
James Kiranas (looks like Kurrias on original) 1857 born Strand London Printer in echo office
Kate 1858 Fulham music teacher
Fred born Battersea says 8 but could be 6
Kate 10 Battersea
Sidney 4 Battersea.

Can't check out anything else as I'am not sure of surname.
I thought if Kate had remarried then this may have been her.

Maryb.

Have no idea of birth date

Gay, do you know what your Sidney's birthday was?

Births Sep 1887 MARTIN Sidney Wandsworth 1d 681

That baptism for Sidney is also the same address, his birthdate 23 July.

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Frederick Martin Martin
Name: Frederick Martin Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1885
Baptism Date: 22 Nov 1885
Father's Name: Rederick Martin Occ:Traveler
Mother's Name: Kate Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St Peter
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born Sept.12,1885
7 Meyrick Rd.
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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Sidney Martin
Name: Sidney Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1887
Baptism Date: 11 Sep 1887
Father's Name: Frederick Martin Occ:Traveller
Mother's Name: Kate Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St Peter
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers

Maureen

Yes have seen these entries - Have had trouble tracking down White Star Line crew records - think some are held In Canada and a random amount were destroyed in 1960's

Going back to Sidney working for the White Star Line, there are over a dozen arrivals in New York for a Sidney Martin working on the Homeric (a White Star ship) during 1922/23. Birth date 1888, nationality British. Because he's crew there isn't so much information.

There are also numerous other entries on other ships but haven't yet determined if it's the same man.

Yes have seen that census record and wondered if there was a connection - as yet have not found one - I think this family were in Compton at next census which is very close - not sure if one of son's could have changed name to Sidney and how one could find out :-S :-S

This is a Frederick born in Witley with father Frederick.
However, no Sidney, age probably a year out, and wrong profession for Father
1891 England Census
Frederick J Martin
Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son Father's Name: Frederick J Martin
Mother's Name: Ellene Martin Gender: Male
Where born: Witley, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Witley Ecclesiastical parish: Milford Town: Milford
County/Island: Surrey Country: England
Street Address: Lady Cross Road
Registration district: Hambledon Sub-registration district: Witley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Piece: 571 Folio: 43 Page Number: 33

Frederick J Martin 38 Engine Driver Stationary
Ellene Martin 34
Frederick J Martin 6
Ernest H Martin 4
George Martin 2

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 571; Folio 43; Page 33; GSU roll: 6095681.

The will did not specify relationship to Frederick - referred to him as printers warehouseman

Gay, I'd be inclined to take your green tick off - there will be people later who do the "night shift" that may take a look at this. (If you go to the top of the thread there's a purple button to do so).

Have you got Sidney's will, where his relationship to Frederick may be specified?

That is problem it is quite a common name

Have checked birth records and I do not have any idea of area he came from. Also same with Seamens cards at Southampton & Kew

Worked on basis Frederick from Witley could be brother or cousin and have just received his marriage certficiate - married Alice Frye 1914 St John Baptist Church Byfleet - his address was Greenhills (barracks??) and his father was Frederick a clerk

They did have a daughter Freda born in 1915 (have been to Witley to trace her or anyone who knew her when they were there in 1950-60's without success

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1911
MARTIN, Frederick Single ? 25 1886 Soldier Ealing Town Middlesex

RG number: RG14 Piece: 34989 Reference: RG14PN34989 RD641 SD14 ED2 SN9999
Registration District: Sub District: Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
Address: Multan Punjaub India County: Overseas military

PM from Gay
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That is problem it is quite a common name

Have checked birth records and I do not have any idea of area he came from. Also same with Seamens cards at Southampton & Kew

Worked on basis Frederick from Witley could be brother or cousin and have just received his marriage certficiate - married Alice Frye 1914 St John Baptist Church Byfleet - his address was Greenhills (barracks??) and his father was Frederick a clerk
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Births Mar 1915
Martin Freda M Frye Hendon 3a 662
Births Sep 1916
Martin Frederick P Frye Hendon 3a 615

Freda?

Births Mar 1915 Martin Freda M Frye Hendon 3a 662
Births Sep 1916 Martin Frederick P Frye Hendon 3a 615

Is this the marriage of Frederick to Alice?
Marriages Mar 1914
Frye Alice S Martin Chertsey 2a 63
MARTIN Frederick Frye Chertsey 2a 63

... I'm not seeing anything immediate in census records but will keep looking.

I'd certainly be inclined to order a copy of Frederick and Alice Sarah's marriage certificate to compare the father's details. Who were John and Freda?