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Thank you for your help. James married margaret greer in 1862 antrim northern ireland so looking at the census of robert gray and anges lawson it seems this family isnt him as it shows him still in ayr in 1861, 1871, 1881 when it doesnt show his wife in the house with him but in 1901 he shows in 23 may st, belfast and 1911 146 donegal pass in 1911. but because belfast dont have any records before this i dont know when he came to ireland. he did win bronze award at dublin in 1882 for irish plough manufacturer in farming from queen victoria at the exhibition as james gray & co belfast, so it would be nice to find records of this day.

I think it might not be the same robert also, All i have to go on ayr is that he states it in the census 1901/1911 that he was born Ayr. And i have looked at the google book site thank you for this information. I was told that he made the 1st irish plough but i think what you say is correct because what would they have used before 1882

Google books has a copy of the Official catalogue for the 1882 Dublin Exhibition of Irish Arts and Manufactures but surely there were ploughs in Ireland before 1882? I think this must have been some new type of plough?

The Robert Gray in Newton on Ayr is a Cabinet Maker in 1841 so unlikely to be the father of your James?

1841

Name: Robert Gray
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Ayrshire, Scotland

Civil parish: Newton on Ayr
County: Ayrshire
Address: Main Street
Occupation: Cabinet Maker
Parish Number: 612
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Gray 40
Agnes Gray 35
Robert Gray 7
Agnes Gray 4
Janet Gray 2
James Gray 2 Mo

cant seem to find anything about the 1882 bronze exhibition of dublin were james bgray & co got medal award on internet or the papers

His father was robert on rthe 1901 census belfast it shows james born ayrshire scotland, a family member has said maybole was birth place. I can t seem to find his birth details but know he married margaret greer in Co.Antrim but not sure why he came to Belfast from scotland or how old he was

The newton on Ayr james ,father Robert is a Muslin Weaver

parents: John Gray,? Jane Cathcart


name: James Gray
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 07 May 1841
baptism/christening place: , MAYBOLE, AYR, SCOTLAND
birth date: 24 Apr 1841
father's name: John Gray
mother's name: Jane Cathcart
indexing project (batch) number: C11605-4
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1041397

Newton on Ayr is not near Maybole , Maybole it's further south.

Ellieathome

Thank you Sharonrose. Sorry we couldn't be of more help to you.
Have a wonderful Christmas and may the New Year bring all you wish for.

Liz

Thank you and merry christmas and happy new year to all xxxxx

Thank you. My james lived in Belfast Antrim by 1862 after he married margaret greer in oct 1862, i guess this one in scotland is not my james.`in 1901/1911 cenus for ireland it shows he born in ayr, so i dont know what step next. i thought the dublin exhibition would show his award in papers being 1st to manufactrur irish plough. cant find that either. im lost

They're all on ancestry but the 10 year old grew up to be a clerk in Scotland.

1851 Scotland Census about James Gray
Name: James Gray
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Robert Gray
Mother's Name: Agnes Gray
Gender: Male
Where born: Newton, Ayrs
Parish Number: 612
Civil parish: Newton On Ayr
Town: Newton
County: Ayrshire
Address: New Road
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 1
Page: 43 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 147
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1851_138
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Gray 50 Where born: Newton, Ayrs, grocer
Agnes Gray 47 Where born: Newton, Ayrs
>>>Robert Gray Jr. 18 Where born: Newton, Ayrs, Sheriff Clerk's Assistant
Agnes Gray 14
Jessie Gray 12
James Gray 10
William L Gray 7
Joseph Gray 5
Susan Gray 3


1861 Scotland Census about James Gray
Name: James Gray
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Robert Gray
Mother's Name: Agnes Gray
Gender: Male
Where born: Newton Ayr, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 578
Registration district: Ayr
Civil parish: Newton On Ayr
County: Ayrshire
Address: New Road
Occupation: Clerk
ED: 23
Household schedule number: 112
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1861_82
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Gray 60
Agnes Gray 57
Agnes Gray 24
Jessie Gray 22
James Gray 20
William Gray 17
Joseph Gray 15
Susan Gray 13


1871 Scotland Census about James Gray
Name: James Gray
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Robert Gray
Mother's Name: Agnes Gray
Gender: Male
Where born: Newton Ayr, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 578/2
Registration district: Ayr Landward
Civil parish: Newton On Ayr
Town: Newton Ayr
County: Ayrshire
Address: Pointhouse Tuckead
Occupation: Clerk
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 39
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1871_106
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Gray 70
Agnes Gray 66
James Gray 31
William L Gray 27
Joseph Gray 25
Susan Gray 22


1881 Scotland Census about James Gray
Name: James Gray
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Newton Upon Ayr, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 644/12
Registration district: Gorbals
Civil parish: Glasgow Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Occupation: Clerk-Inland Revenue
ED: 89
Household schedule number: 28
Line: 17
Roll: cssct1881_248
Household Members:
Name Age
>>>Robert Gray 47 Occupation: Compulsory Officer School Board Of Glasgow
Robert Gray 17
Margaret Nicol Gray 13
John D Gray 11
James Gray 8
Mayson Gray 4
Jean McGill 22
James Gray 40

I think James Gray who was 10 yrs old in 1851 is my connection who lived in new road newton ayr. where can i find these census from 1861 onwards please

James Paton Gray married a Euphemia and was still in Ayrshire in 1901.

I think the other one was still in Scotland in 1891 and was a clerk.


1881 Scotland Census about James Gray
Name: James Gray
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Newton Upon Ayr, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 644/12
Registration district: Gorbals
Civil parish: Glasgow Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Occupation: Clerk-Inland Revenue
ED: 89
Household schedule number: 28
Line: 17
Roll: cssct1881_248
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Gray 47
Robert Gray 17
Margaret Nicol Gray 13
John D Gray 11
James Gray 8
Mayson Gray 4
Jean McGill 22
James Gray 40

is there any further records for scotland free that i can look up the gray=lawson family and when they moved to ireland if they are the correct family as james married in antrim but i cant find his family in any 1851 or 1861 census. Big thank you for all the tracing on the grays this has pushed me further to trace my scottish roots.

The one in Newton on Ayr looks a fair possiblity as he had a daughter Agnes and another Jessie. Irish and Scots at that time like to name their children for parents and siblings.

My distant cousin had said that he came from maybole and his year of birth was abt 1841, he has a daughter called agnes might be after his mother, his father is a implant maker on the wedding cert of james gray to margaret 6.10.1862 antrim

1851

1851 Scotland Census about James Gray
Name: James Gray
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Robert Gray
Mother's Name: Agnes Gray
Gender: Male
Where born: Newton, Ayrs
Parish Number: 612
Civil parish: Newton On Ayr
Town: Newton
County: Ayrshire
Address: New Road
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 1
Page: 43 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 147
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1851_138
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Gray 50 grocer
Agnes Gray 47
Robert Gray Jr. 18
Agnes Gray 14
Jessie Gray 12
James Gray 10
William L Gray 7
Joseph Gray 5
Susan Gray 3



1851


1851 Scotland Census about James Gray
Name: James Gray
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Robert Gray
Mother's Name: Lillier Gray
Gender: Male
Where born: Dundonald, Ayrshire
Parish Number: 578
Civil parish: Ayr
County: Ayrshire
Address: Cumnock House 8 Over Millr Cottage
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 15
Page: 3 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 13
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1851_128
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Gray 42 wood cutter
Lillier Gray 40
Michael Gray 11
James Gray 8

There are 2 with father, Robert. Where did you get Maybole from?

JAMES GRAY Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
27 MAR 1841
Christening:
04 APR 1841 Newton-On-Ayr, Ayr, Scotland
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ROBERT GRAY Family
Mother: AGNES LAWSON




JAMES PATON GRAY Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
27 MAY 1843
Christening:
11 JUN 1843 Dundonald, Ayr, Scotland
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ROBERT GRAY Family
Mother: LILIAS PATON