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SO, did Grandad Barnes not live with Grandma Oswald then ?

Dea x

sorry to throw a spanner in the works Dea ,my older brother remembers grandad barnes turning up at the family home around birthdays.
it is specificaly the naming of my aunt ann and the date and the M M N on my fathers birth cert.

Ronnie
just found an Alathea m barnes getting married in derbyshire in the 1950s? did she get diviorced and go home.

I AM still working on it - I promise you Ronald!

I just can't pull it all together yet! :-(

On the surface of it, it looks like your grandfather married Alithea and they eventually split up or she died.

While this was going on - Gertrude married Fred Walter(s) and they split up/divorced???

Then at some stage they got together and 'lived happily ever after' ???

I don't think Fred died until 1970 (IF this is him) ??

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Frederick Alfred Walters Name: Frederick Alfred Walters
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1895
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1970
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Heywood
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10c
Page: 1057

I will keep looking and come back as soon as I have anything useful.

Dea Xxx

P.S. - I really suspect a divorce, or something similar for Gertrude as why would she have been known as Grandma Oswald rather that Grandma Walters???

Dea x

sorry i am only just getting back to you all,
i work as a driver and am away most of the time .
Reggie
you have my fathers birth correct.(last entry)
what i know of my grandfather is he married Alithea in 1918, she was widowed and was called parker( born Alithea Heeley),
the info i cannot find out is what happened after my father was born as he ended up in rochdale with three females and the woman who he says was his mother.
i have a photo of him at around 4 years old on great grandma oswalds knee.
this is my interest, flick and all the people have helped in getting me to where i am now ,so near but miles away.
thanks to everyone who has got me to here
thanks to Dea who is checking my tree. :-D :-D

Alathea's maiden name was HEELEY - as per info posted some time ago by Flick

'Grandma Oswald' could be on the other side of the family

Who was your father?

You say he was born to Barnes/Parker in 1929

These are the births of children of the marriage between Barnes and Parker (nee Heeley)

Births Mar 1922 (>99%)
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Barnes S**** Heeley Worksop 7b 96

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Births Sep 1932 (>99%)
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Barnes B**** Heeley Worksop 7b 88

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Births Mar 1936 (>99%)
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BARNES C******** M Heeley Worksop 7b 93


What does your father's birth cert say - exactly - about his parents?

Is this his birth?

Births Mar 1929 (>99%)
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BARNES John H Parker Ecclesall B. 9c 582

Just nudging up for reference as I am working on it.

Dea x

Thank you Dea
i would be greatful,

Ronald,

I would be happy to take a look at your tree and see if I can help.

I will not be on too much for the rest of the day (Easter things to do) but will be on again tomorrow and most days thereafter.

I will pm you and you could open your tree to me if you wish.

Best regards,

Dea x

Hello Ronald - could Oswald have been Alithea's maiden name before she married Mr Parker?

What does it give as her father's name on the marriage certificate?

What age does it give for her?

(Please don't open your tree for me - prefer just to look at facts on records!).

Hi Dea
my father was born to Harry Barnes and Alithea(spelt 3 diferrent ways in different certs) parker in 1929. my brother and cousin remember grandma oswald and i have photos of her ,i could open my tree to you then you may understand my confusion.

Are you able to give us any info on your father and why he believes his mother was gertrude Oswald?

Was he perhaps adopted?

Please be careful if any of these people are still living - you will need their permision to post it.

Dea x

hello everyone
i have just recieved the marriage cert for my grandad Harry Barnes and Alithea Parker, it looks like Alithea's husband was killed in the first world war.
Flick it looks like you are correct on all accounts.again thank you all.
i am struggling to find anything to do with Alithea after the marriage except for the birth of my dad and aunty, my dad dose not know Alithea and thinks his mother was gertrude oswald.
any help would be brill.
thanks in anticipation.

ronnie :-D

thank you everyone i have a lot to go on now .
i will wait for the birth cert to progress further
thanks again
ronnie

1891

Name: Robt Heeley
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria Heeley
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitwell, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Barlborough
Ecclesiastical parish: Barlborough
Town: Barlborough
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England


Registration district: Worksop
Sub-registration district: Carburton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2647
Folio: 74
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Robt Heeley 35
Maria Heeley 33
Ada Buxton 15
Sarah Heeley 10
Tom Heeley 10
Fannie Heeley 6
Harriet Heeley 3
William Heeley 2
____________________________________________________

1901

Name: Robert Heeley
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitwell, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Barlborough
Ecclesiastical parish: Barlborough St James
Town: Barlborough
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England


Registration district: Worksop
Sub-registration district: Carburton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 93
Piece: 3129
Folio: 110
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Heeley 46
Sarah Heeley 20
Tom Heeley 18
William Heeley 12
Robert Heeley 10
Alithea Heeley 5
Drusilla Heeley 2

Marriages Mar 1880 (>99%)
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Booth Elizabeth Ann C Sheffield 9c 469
Buxton Maria Sheffield 9c 469 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Heeley Robert Sheffield 9c 469 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Orwin John Sheffield 9c 469

1911 census - household transcription
Person: HEELEY, Alithea Mary
Address: California Barlborough Near Chesterfield


HEELEY, Robert Head Married M 56 1855 Coal Miner Hewer Derbyshire Whitwell VIEW
HEELEY, Maria Wife Married
31 years F 54 1857 Derbyshire Barlborough VIEW
HEELEY, Robert Son Single M 19 1892 Colliery Labourer Above Ground Derbyshire Barlborough VIEW
HEELEY, Alithea Mary Daughter Single F 15 1896 Derbyshire Barlborough VIEW
HEELEY, Drusilla Ann Daughter Single F 12 1899 Derbyshire Barlborough VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20268 Reference:
RG14PN20268 RG78PN1214 RD427 SD4 ED10 SN88

Registration District:
Worksop Sub District:
Carburton Enumeration District:
10 Parish:
Barlborough

12 children born during marriage.................5 have died

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
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Parker Margery H Heeley Worksop 7b 120

PARKER, RICHARD
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment)
Unit Text: 2nd/5th Bn.
Age: 25
Date of Death: 03/05/1917
Service No: 241946
Additional information: Son of Richard and Hannah Parker, of 55, Coleridge Rd., Attercliffe, Sheffield; husband of Alattea Mary Parker; of California, Barlborough, Chesterfield.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 6.
Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL

There are some Barnes/Heeley births on freebmd.................

PLUS

Births Mar 1896 (>99%)
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Heeley Alethea Mary Worksop 7b 51


But you MUST get the marriage cert......for factual info

Suggestion only.................

Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Heeley Alathea M Parker Worksop 7b 49
Parker Richard Heeley Worksop 7b 49