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Thanks Barbara, will order marriage cert. It may take a couple of weeks as we are in South Australia. We will get back to you then or sooner if anything else is uncovered.
We think we have pinned down John Haigh's death (who seems to have a middle name of William, going back through census' of his parents etc) to two possibles. JFM 1875 Huddersfield. 9a 494. Or JFM 1891 Huddersfield. 9a 250.
Thanks for your thoughs and help Barbara.
Terence.
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hi Terence
I would send for John and Ellens marriage cert ---you already have Benjamins birth cert, which you are sure is the correct one for "your Benjamin" which shows Ellen and John as his parents
If you send for Marriage cert. this will / should show if John was married before his marriage to Ellen.
IF he had been married before, then you can think about getting Eliz. (Elizabeth) birth cert to see who her mum was ?
Did Ben get married-and if so have you got his marriage cert ? (for age, occ. name and occ of father (does it say deceased) and wittness' )
Barbara x
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Hi Barbara, also Mike.
The correct one for Benjamin Haigh is 9a 378, as his birth certificate shows him born 10/10/1880. The mother's maiden name shown is Ellen Iredale.
We have a marriage for an Elizabeth Ann Pogson OND 1874 Huddersfield 9a 601. There is a death for an Elizabeth Haigh OND 1874 (age 24, born 1850). 9a 237. Was she pregnant and died at childbirth (the child as well)? That means he may have married Ellen within, at most, six months!!! We would think unlikley.
The other strange thing is the two census' (1881 & 1891) show the two women at different addresses in the same street!!!
Perhaps it is the same person and she moved her address (in the same street) after John Haigh died?
But we are sure that the right marriage is to Ellen Iredale JFM 1875 Huddersfield 9a 494, with the first child, "Eliz" born in 1877. Perhaps we should get that birth certificate?
Terence.
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Hi Terence
Are you sure you have the right birth cert. for your Ben / Benjamin ? there are a few born around that time that "could be" his.
Which one have you got ? ( these look like the most possible)
Births Mar 1880
Haigh Benjamin Huddersfield 9a 347
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Births Dec 1880
HAIGH Benjamin Huddersfield 9a 378
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Births Jun 1881
Haigh Ben Huddersfield 9a 325
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For info only
( On the image in Ancestry the age of Eliz. looks like 30 years not 40 ? )
Her name does look like Eliz, on 1881 census ---but Ellen on 1891 and 1901 census. It looks to me as if Eliz. and Ellen are the same person.
1881 census----
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Jno. HAIGH Head M Male 34 Stainland, York, England Finisher (W)
Eliz. HAIGH Wfe M Female 40 Elland, York, England Finisher Wife (Looks like age 30 on the image)
Eliz. HAIGH Dau U Female 4 Lindley, York, England Scholar
Arthur HAIGH Son U Male 2 Lindley, York, England
Ben HAIGH Son U Male 5 m Lindley, York, England
Source Information:
Dwelling East 67 St (this should say 67 East Street)
Census Place Lindley Cum Quarmby, York, England
Family History Library Film 1342049
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4392 / 19
Page Number 31
Barbara x
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If the birthdates are 10 years apart, I can't see it being the same lady
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The records seem to be confusing! The 1881 census shows John Haigh b1847 married (possibly in 1874?) to an Elizabeth b1841, with Eliz b1877, Arthur b1879 and Ben b1881. Living at 67 East St, Lindley Cum Quanrnby.
In the 1891 census John seems to have married Ellen Iredale b1851, in 1875, but shows her as a widow with the same children living at 48 East St, Lindley With Quarmby!
I have the birth certificate for Benjamin showing Ellen Iredale as the mother.
Did he marry Elizabeth and she died early without producing any children? Did the "scribe" write Eliz in the 1881 census instead of Ellen?
Could someone please help with their opinion?
Thankyou, Terence.
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