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lol what a silly billy I am

Gail

You have sent me a pm? saying my post is not showing maybe you have not clicked on page two?

there is this death which would be the right age

Deaths Mar 1918 (>99%)
Booth John 40 Prestwich 8d 480

A point worth remembering is that divorce was really only the prerogative of the wealthy back then so when a marriage broke down the couple would often simply move into another relationship. The fact that Mary declared herself as a widow when she married John Speakman may or may not have been true. The fact that the couple had a child together in 1906 whilst unmarried would indicate that in all probability John Booth was still alive at that time. I would look for him in the 1911 census.

I think this is florence

Deaths Sep 1901 (>99%)
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Booth Florence May 1 Bolton 8c 265

have you found Florence in 1911?

she does not seem to be with her mother

edit - sorry missed that death on p1

the marriage info was from lan-opc.org.uk

Thanks Stuart.
All very strange.
Mary was a widow when she married.

Stuart thanks very much for your help.
Its all very strange.
John Speakman was a bachelor on marriage and Mary was a Widow.
Now to find the death of John Booth

I can see no other marriage apart from the 1918 one for Speakman/Booth. If the 1911 census is your Mary, it says they have been married for 6 years. THis may well be to cover the age of the daughter born 1906, but suggests one or other of them may have not been free to marry before 1918 (John seems to be single in 1901). So if you are still wondering what happened to John Booth as per your first post, the window for his death I would think is still at least up to 1918.

how did you get that info Ann.
Thank you

for ref

Marriage: 18 Sep 1897 St Thomas, Dixon Green, Farnworth, Lancashire, England
John Booth - (X), 21 Carter Bachelor of 12 Welsby Square Farnworth
Mary Ann Whalley - 20 Spinster of 13 Smith Street
Groom's Father: Dennis Booth, Engineer (deceased)
Bride's Father: Joseph Whalley, Quarryman
Witness: Abraham Ruscoe; Margaret Annie Grimshaw
Married by Banns by: Thomas Austin
Register: Marriages 1880 - 1900, Page 204, Entry 407
Source: Register at Manchester Central Library

and

Marriage: 18 Dec 1918 St Thomas, Dixon Green, Farnworth, Lancashire, England
John Henry Speakman - 37 Collier Batchelor of 57 Bentinck St
Mary Ann Booth - 40 Widow of 36 Bentinck St
Bride's Father: Joseph Whalley, Foundry Worker
Witness: William Kay; Maria Brooks
Married by Licence by: J Wilcockson, Vicar
Register: Marriages 1915 - 1934, Page 40, Entry 79
Source: Microfilm of register at Manchester Central Library

so what do you think happened to John.

Well on the 1911 image they state that they have been married for six years, no doubt to make the birth of their first child seem "respectable"

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
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Speakman Elizabeth Whalley Barnsley 9c 476

Sue yours is the right Mary.

Thanks everyone.

Yes that is my Mary. Thanks for help>

So this Mary in 1911?

SPEAKMAN, John Henry Head Married M 29 1882 Coal Miner Hewer Farnworth Lancashire
SPEAKMAN, Mary Ann Wife Married F 33 1878 Farnworth Lancashire
SPEAKMAN, Ann Daughter F 5 1906 Barnsley Yorkshire
SPEAKMAN, Edward Son M 3 1908 Barnsley Yorkshire
DUDLEY, Edward Boarder Married M 49 1862 Coal Miner Hewer Wrexham Wales
DUDLEY, Edward Boarder Single M 19 1892 Coal Miner Hewer Farnsworth Lancashire
YATES, William Boarder Single M 33 1878 Coal Miner Hewer Bolton Lancashire

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27592 Reference:
RG14PN27592 RG78PN1578 RD507 SD2 ED33 SN112

Registration District:
Barnsley Sub District:
Barnsley Enumeration District:
33 Parish:
Barugh

Address:
Church Street Gawber Barnsley County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

Poor Florence died very young. So know I know that John died after the 1901 census.

Yes Lesley I believe it is