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On the 51 census both son William and dau-in-law Amelia are married so I would think they are married to each other.
She couldn't be Peter & Mary's daughter as she's married so would have a different surname.

Old,

That Amelia gives Chelsea as birth place?

it maybe that Peter was out and the information was given by Mary--stepmother and they didnt use the word--step/child/parent in those days,,more the -inlaw,so a possible its one of the same.

did the family remain in London or move back to Suffolk to account for the marriage of Amelia you found there.?

We're all confused... so your in the right place!!

I'm gonna go and have a look at the census info. Have you found anything, paperwork wise on Amelia?

Have you got the Henry marriage cert to see what it says about father?


Tracey x

Is this the baptism you mention:

Name: Amelia Nicholls born Nov 9 1835
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1835
Baptism Date: 6 Dec 1835
Father's Name: Peter Nicholls barge builder
Mother's Name: Mary Nicholls
Parish or Poor Law Union: Chelsea St Luke
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: Trafalgar Square

Amelia's marriage:

Name: Amelia Nicholls
Spouse Name: Henry William Bradley
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 May 1860
Parish: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Peter Nicholls barge builder
Spouse Father Name: William Bradley
Register Type: Parish Register
Address: South St

A possible marriage for William:

Name: Eliza Peace
Spouse Name: William Nicholls
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 Jun 1842
Parish: Lambeth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: William Peace
Spouse Father Name: Peter Nicholls barge builder
Register Type: Parish Register

Potty

All your posts are correct - I had quite forgotten William's marriage in 1842. Have not found a death for Eliza that would have enabled him to marry an Amelia.

Should have added William's marriage to Eliza.

Margee - I would like to find the marriage to Amelia. The "in-law" looks to be in a different hand from the original Census document - were they reviewed by someone else, or taken as written?

Kay????

Amelia married Henry William Bradley in Newington, St Mary - in Surrey.

Wayne Tracey

Have not got the certificate, but if you are referring to amelia's father, her father is shown as Peter, Barge Builder - see Potty post.

Old, the census forms that we can see were compiled from the forms filled in by each household so mistakes could happen in the transcription. Possible the enumerator made a mistake when transferring the info. Maybe Amelia and Eliza were combined in some way?

I cannot find William after the 1851

Potty

I agree - I always like to kill them off.

???. Peter is listed as barge builder. Peter, Mary and Amelia not born in County.

I think on the 1851 census daughter in law in darker pen and the 2 in 25 is much darker than the 5.

.1841 England Census
about Peter Nicholls Name: Peter Nicholls
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Lambeth
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England


Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road Second
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1061
Book: 1
Folio: 12
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Nicholls 50
Mary Nicholls 40
Amelia Nicholls 5
Caroline Nicholls 3

Vera

Old

If you look carefully at the image of the 1851 .... I enlarged it to 150% ..... it is possible to see several things

1. in-law has been added in a different handwriting to the Daur for Amelia

2. Mar has been written over a - (dash) in the Condition column
The - (dash) may have been meant as unknown, but taken as equivalent to "ditto"

3. Amelia has suddenly aged 10 years ....... but it looks as though someone else has written the 2 of the 25 ....... I wonder if in fact it originally said 15



It could well be that the clerk in the office entered infromation exactly frm the enumeration sheet .......... which had Amelia as Daughter, a dash in the Condition column, and age as 15

The supervisor might then have "read" the dash as meaning "ditto", so changed Daur to Daur-in-law, and decided that 15 was too you, so changed the age to 25, or decided that the number was not very clear, so decided to write over it




sylvia

This William possibly the one of the 1842 marriage. Said to be living in county (not Suffolk but glass cutter as 1851.

Next door are the Peace's

1841 England Census
about William Nicholls Name: William Nicholls
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road Second
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1061
Book: 5
Folio: 26
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
William Nicholls 26

Vera

1841 England Census
about Eliza Peace Name: Eliza Peace
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Gender: Female
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road Second
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1061
Book: 5
Folio: 26
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
William Peace 53
Elizabeth Peace 49
Eliza Peace 19
Elizabeth Peace 8

Vera

Have a couple of queries that I hope can be resolved now that it is clear that Amelia was only 15 and daughter of Peter & Mary.

Where was William's wife Eliza at the time of the 1851 Census. William is shown as married i.e. not widower.

Amelia's sister Caroline, born 1837 married William Shakespear Quick and had several children - one of her sons married one of Amelia's daughters.
On the 1881 Census, Caroline is shown as a widow aged 40 living with her brother William 51, unmarried. I am puzzled by this and think it must be the wrong Caroline - but the children are the same and surely too much of a coincidence.
I have failed to find Caroline on the 1871 Census.

Have found a death for husband William Shakspear Quick in 1879, but several trees show him living much longer, even into the 1900s.

Fresh eyes may help to unravel the queries.

Thanks in advance

Arthur

To add to my last post:-

1. William Shakespear Quick - there is a death recorded in 1915 that looks to be a good candidate.
2. Cannot find William Shakespear quick on 1901 Census, but have found a William Quick on the 1891 Census marked as a widower and living with son William - occupation Wood cutter. On the 1881 Census Caroline's brother William was a wood cutter - another coincidence?

The family is listed on the 1871 (both Ancestry and FMPast) as Guick.

That 1881 census is strange. It almost looks as though the enumerator got a little mixed up with the relationships. I'd swear that William should be her husband. Same age,place of birth,occupation,etc.

I agree that this death looks most probable:
Deaths Mar 1915
Quick William S 84 Wandsworth 1d 1025

Sorry-I know I didn't address all your questions! More morning coffee needed!

Maureen

1911 England Census about William Quick
Name: William Quick
Age in 1911: 80
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Male
Civil parish: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: Tooting Bec Asylum, Tooting Common, London S W
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: MOULD CUTTER
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration District Number: 26
Sub-registration district: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 84-91
Piece: 02369

Maureen

1901 census transcription details for: Camberwell Workhouse, Constance Road East Dulwich
RG number: RG13 Piece: 503 Folio: 112 Page: 19

Reg. District: Camberwell Sub District: Camberwell
QUICK, William Pauper Widower M 70 1831 Woodcutter
Lambeth


Maureen