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OOOhh - I am disappointed!

I lost my internet connection just as I posted my last message and have just this minute got it back so I expected you all to have this sorted by now but you haven't got any further.

Will take another look in a little while to see if I can find anything more.

Dea x

OOh Moira - I see you have already foun d the family I posted above!! - I have been looking at it for ages now, that's why I asked for Andrew's occupation and details of children.

I DO think that it may very well be them!

Dea x

I wonder if Mary died and Andrew re-married?

1881

Name: Andrew Mc Neill
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Mc Neill
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Kirkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 66 Lambeth Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: House Carpenter

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3683
Folio: 33
Page Number: 62
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Mc Neill 50
Sarah Mc Neill 51 b.Cumberland, England
David Mc Neill 25
Janet Mc Neill 23 <<<<<
Mary E. Mc Neill 20
Agnes Mc Neill 18 <<<<<<
Robt. Mc Neill 16



EDIT

Could Mary E have been Mary Elizabeth, in Scotland Elizabeth and Isabella were interchangeable names at that time. Not uncommon for a daughter named for her mother to use a middle name to avoid confusion within the family.

I keep looking at this one???

I know it is the wrong wife but Mary may have died and Andrew remarried??

Andrew IS a Joiner and several of the children have the same names?

1871 England Census
about Andrew McNeill Name: Andrew McNeill
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah McNeill
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Household schedule number: 222
Piece: 3764
Folio: 56
Page Number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew McNeill 43 Joiner
Sarah McNeill 43 b Cockermouth, Cumberland
David McNeill 15 b Liverpool
Isabella McNeill 10 b Scotland
Agnes McNeill 8 b Liverpool
Robert McNeill 6 b Liverpool
James Gribble 44
Annie Gribble 41

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3764; Folio: 56; Page: 43; GSU roll: 841881

Isabella 'could have been born in Scotland and baptised when they returned to Liverpool? - She was born on 27th April and not baptised until 22nd May.

I think it is worth looking at, if only to discount?

Dea x

got to go out for about an hour, be back soon

Jordan Street is (1841) Liverpool St Thomas...so need to find Kerr/McNeil/McNeill around St Thomas' area...
Were Isabella and Mary E twins..?? Only 1 baptism /Birth listed...(Isabella)
Havent located a David yet...mm

I have found the family on the 1871 census it looks like Andrew remarried to a Sarah

Mary was born c1828, She was the grandmother of the lady I am trying to help so she has info on the family from the marriage of Mary and Andrew but not before :-S

Hi Everyone and a big thank you for you interest.
I have a list of all the children for Andrew and Mary

Andrew McNeill
1828 – 1906
Margaret McNeill
1855 –
David McNeill
1856 –
Janet McNeill
1858 – 1917
Isabella McNeill
1861 –
Mary E McNeill
1861 –
Agnes McNeill
1863 –

Robert McNeill
1865 –
I am told that Mary died in 1865 giving birth to Robert, she died in Liverpool

Rootgatherer..No Idea...!!
Just xref. Kerr "Tailor" 1851 L'Pool..came up with that....
I wonder if John was already deceased at time of Marriage..?

Just love working in the Dark...!!

Moira..What was Mary's age/occup. ...?

Hello Dea...These are the only children (MCNEIL) found so far...all girls..

3. Margaret Lockat McNeill - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 JUL 1854 St Michael'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

4. Janet McNeill - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 AUG 1857 St Michael'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

5. Isabella Reubenna McNeill - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 MAY 1859 St Michael'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

6. Agnes - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 FEB 1863 Saint Michael, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Did you mean this one Erin please?

1851

Name: James Kerr
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Lodger
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 1f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 217
Piece: 2181
Folio: 208
Page Number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Donelly 29
Julia Murphy 30
Patrick Lawler 19
Michael Meehan 36
Mary Roony 30
George Hamilton 21
James Kerr 19 <<<< Tailor
John Maloy 21

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906

Name: Janet McNeill
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 23 Jul 1857
Christening Date: 2 Aug 1857
Christening Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: Andrew McNeill
Mother's name: Mary

Who were the witnesses on the marriage cert please?

Also, occupation for Andrew and full details of his father.

Dea x

I cannot find any trace of the family on the 1841/51 census.
On the marriage cert it says his name was John Kerr but he could have changed his name, but I have looked for all the children and cannot find anything, it seems odd,I will keep searching

This is the nearest I can find ..."James"..not John..! (1851)..Pce and folio nos.

KERR JAMES - TAILOR. IRELAND. 208A .2181/1

Do you have any dates for those children please?

Dea x

I can't see them on census yet either!

I am looking on census at the moment but I cannot find them yet

Some of their children..Janet/Margaret/Agnes/ were also St Michaels...
Dont know if St Michaels is on Lancs OPC but will see what comes up...I dont have Census access to cross ref. Mary and family (1841/151) with but sure someone will..!!