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Mary's posted marriage in 1887:
Marriages Jun 1887
DALE Frederick Durham 10a 453
MOSS Mary Durham 10a 453
Strathman Herman Durham 10a 453
Thornes Jemima Durham 10a 453

Cheers Patchem, William Lund and David Lund are inmates in a Cottage Home in 1901 in Durham.

Maryb.

OK I think this is him.

Joseph Lund born Oct 1848 V22 P457 in Darrington Yorkshire(Reg in Pontefract) son of William Lund 1824 born Darrington and Ann 1829.
They had son Belford Lund 1856.

Joseph Lund married Jane ward O/N/D 1873 in Stockton V10a 213.
Jane Ward is Sarah Jane Ward 1853 in Hull to John Joseph Ward born 1836 in leeds and Mary A Ward nee Ragg born Norton Durham 1841 -died 1901.

1881 14 Waverley Street Stockton D45 > 14 (Post code TS18 3JH)
Jas Lund born Hartlepool 1852 (Original says Jos Lund Pontefract)
Sarah Jane Lund 1854 Hull
Bey Lund relative 1856 (Belford Lund) Male.

1881 85 Webster Street D39 > 31 (Post code found on google TS18 3EA)
Mary Moss
So very near Joseph and Sarah Jane Lund.

Sarah Jane Ward then marries Michael Murphy Dec 1883 10a 149.
1891 Stockton D41 > 12
1,Pine street.
Michael Murphy born ireland 1843
Sarah Jane Murphy born Hull
Sarah Ann Murphy 1874

1901 the above family in Byker Northumberland
Sarah Ann Lund 1874 now down as stepdaughter.

This would account for there being no marriage for Mary Moss and Joseph and it looks as though Sarah Jane Ward committed adultery.

There is no death for a Joseph Lund between 1881 -1883 so I'm sure it is the same Joseph who is on 1891 census as born in Darlington which should read Darrington.

Another coincidence is there is a tree with the same Sarah Jane Ward married to Joseph Lund son of William.

What do you think guys!!

Maryb

I think is sounds very plausible

Well done Mary :-D

Cheers Gins.

Maryb

Well done Mary

That certainly makes sense

:-) :-) :-)

Thank you so much everyone for your in put.

The information I have is from my Great Grandfathers Birth Certificate 1887. He too was a Joseph Lund.
His Father Joseph Lund is listed as a general laborer His Mother is named as Mary Ann Lund Formerly Moss. and they are living in Stockton-on-Tees.

The entire family appears is as Lesley posted on the 1891 Census still living in Stockton on Tees.

Joseph Snr C1853 also appears on his Sons marriage certificate in 1910 Stockton on Tees and his profession then is a Striker.

I may have to presume that Joseph (born C1853) is the missing male on the certificate mentioned by safc thank you

Everyone here has given me much food for thought and so I will contiune on.

Thank you once again!

Also just found the 2nd page of replies! sorry!
Thank- you Mary that has given me much food for thought. :-)

This is the other marriage with male missing.

Lanchester Durham O/N/D 1885 10a 406
William Brankston
Thomas White
Mary Ann Sheldon
Isabella Ann Willis.


Isabella Ann Willis born 1869 married William Brankston born 1863.

Maryb

Thanks Mary.
There could be another thread unraveling here as my Nana's maiden name was Ward.
They came from Ireland which Ive traced but in the 1800's they were living in Stockton-on-Tees.
Hummmmmm!

Connection.
1901 6,Spring street Thornaby (Postcode TS17 6JX)
Joseph Lund labourer a widow born Pontefract @ 1845.

1911 12 Fancoat St Middlesbrough
John Henry Scott 1884
Elizabeth Scott born 1885/6 nee Lund married 1908
Leanora Scott 1910
Joseph Lund 1845 father in law.

Death for Joseph Lund 1848 died Middlesbrough 1913.

There is no record of Elizabeth Lund 188/6 in Thornaby but Elizabeth Moss 1885 in Stockton.
There also is no birth for Joseph Lund 1845 in Pontefract.

So if Joseph Lund 1887's dad is still alive in 1910 is the above Joseph 1845 one in the same man???

Maryb.

It's all sounding very possible!
Thanks so much for your time/input
:)

Right Ive sent off for the Death Certificate of Joseph so lets see who's listed as next of kin or any other info that may help! :-)

Good luck Sarah-Jane.

Maryb.

Certificate arrived confirming we have the right Joseph born C1848 died 1913 in Thornaby on Tees.
In attendance at the death was his Son Joseph. who was living at 14 Metcalfe Street Norton on Tees (this is my great grandmothers parents home)
So thats him found! thank you.

As to Mary Moss and He ever marrying in it is looking doubtful I guess I should now get the marriage certificate for Joseph and Sarah Jane Ward to confirm their marriage (Fathers names on certificate).

Any thoughts on Louisa/Lavinia Lunds birth I cannot find her anywhere other than the 1891 census listed as being around 7 years old.
Ive tried under the name Moss too just in case!

I did notice "Patchem" mention her marriage but I'm not sure its the same Lass.

I also think that Mary Annie Lund and Mary Ann Moss born 1881 are the same child registered twice M.A Moss Jan/feb/mar M.A Lund April/May/June

Otherwise it seems really odd that Parents (of Mary Ann Moss 1864) would name a child the same as one they had already....unless because Mary Ann Moss (1864) was pregnant with M.A Lund while living at home and it was her parents way of smitting her when their child MA Moss was born...who knows!

Thank you once again
x
:-)

Lavinia was born Moss.
1901 Stockton D8 > 11 8,Tower Street
lavinia Lund 1882 Stockton a servant.

1904 marriage?
Lavinia moss to Fred king.

He was at 1,Thirsk St Thornaby with his parents.

1911 1,Thirsk St
Fred King
Lavinia King born Stockton 1882
George William King age 6
Lavinia King age 3.

According to Fred's army records his address in 1915 was 26,Bolsover Norton on tees
They had Bessie 27/5/1916
they married 19/3/1904.
There was another birth for a Harry King in Stockton 1921 mum nee Moss.

Maryb.

Blimey, you know your stuff!
Thank you.
i'll let you know the outcome of the Joseph and Sarah marriage certificate when it arrives. :-)

This was Lavinia's birth that I posted on 16th January:
'And this could be Lavinia:
Births Jun 1882
Moss Lavinia Stockton 10a 57'

Thank you Patchem :-)

Got Joseph Lund and Jane Wards Marriage certificate

It's not looking like the same Joseph this one was 21 in 1873 (mine would have been 25) and although his Father is a William this William is a Engine Driver and mine is a general labourer. (as far as i can see)

The only thing is that this Joseph is a plater in the iron works and that is right....tricky stuff this!

:-S