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On each census James birthplace is different.

Two do say the Oldham area

Ahh Reggie excellent

Where did you find that?

On the 1841 Census

Hannah is living with Betty Greenwood in Oldham Above Town with William

James is living with Susanna Whitehead his Grandmother

Richard is named on James marriage cert,

But is there a marriage for Richard and Betty?

1861

Name: James Greenwood
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Henrietta Greenwood
Gender: Male
Where born: Lankart Balton

Civil parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Coseley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England


Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 106
Piece: 2052
Folio: 47
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
James Greenwood 28
Henrietta Greenwood 27


Birthplace is recorded as Bolton............

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1838
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference

GREENWOOD Hannah Oldham Above Town Oldham WHITEHEAD OAT/1/210

On marriage cert is says Richard

County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church St Peters
RegisterNumber 430442
MarriageDate 25 Nov 1860
GroomForename James
GroomSurname GREENWOOD
GroomAge 28
GroomParish
GroomCondition
GroomOccupation Boiler maker
GroomAbode Bilston St Leonards
BrideForename Henrietta
BrideSurname ATTWOOD
BrideAge 26
BrideParish
BrideCondition
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Bilston St Leonards
GroomFatherForename Richard
GroomFatherSurname GREENWOOD
GroomFatherOccupation Farmer
BrideFatherForename William
BrideFatherSurname GOODWAY
BrideFatherOccupation Carpenter
WitnessOneForename William
WitnessOneSurname KEEN
WitnessTwoForename Catharine
WitnessTwoSurname GOODWAY
Notes Banns; Recorded by H HOUSMAN
FileNumber 4750

If James married, buy his marriage cert, to find out who he named as his father

First post on the board tells you ....

Start with what you KNOW and work backwards.

ASHTON & OLDHAM REGISTRATION DISTRICT

Registration County : Lancashire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 31.3.1848 (incorporated into Ashton under Lyne and Oldham registration districts).
Sub-districts : Ashton, Audenshaw, Chadderton, Crompton, Denton, Dukinfield, Hartshead, Knott Lanes, Middleton, Mottram, Newton, Royton, Oldham Above Town, Oldham Below Town, Stayley

You can't get William's as he's born before official reg'n.

Births Jun 1838 Greenwood Hannah Ashton & c 20 136

Registration district: Ashton and Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham above Town

Can't find a James Greenwood 1832 birth either

Found him on 1841, 61, 71 and 81 Census

Name: Richard Greenwood
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 01 Oct 1809
> Baptism/Christening Place: Shaw Chapel, Oldham, Lancashire, England
> Father's Name: James Greenwood
Mother's Name: Jane
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04743-2 **
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1545708
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

1841 Census
Name: James Greenwood
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Prestwich Cum Oldham
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Ashton and Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham above Town

James Greenwood 10
Joseph Whitehead 32
Ralph Whitehead 35
Susannah Whitehead 65


1851 RG number: HO107 Piece: 2223 Folio: 0 Page: 0
Address: 33, Cook Street, Manchester County: Lancashire
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LAKE, William Head Married M 50 1801 Manchester Lancaster
LAKE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 49 1802 Salford Lancaster
LAKE, Jane Dau Unmarried Salford Lancaster
LAKE, Janet Dau Married F 21 1830 Salford Lancaster
LAKE, Elizabeth Dau Married F 12 1839 Salford Lancaster
LAKE, William Son Unmarried M 10 1841 Salford Lancaster
LAKE, Mary Ann Dau Unmarried F 6 1845 Salford Lancaster
GREENWOOD, James Lodger Unmarried M 21 1830 Fustian Dresser Jy'man Crompton Lancashire

1861 Census Boiler Maker in Cosley
1871 Census Boiler Maker Journeyman in Bilston
James and family living at Market Street Bilston Staffordshire
1881 Census Boiler Maker Journeyman in Wednesfield
Living at 1 William Street Wednesfield

His father??

Name: Richard Greenwood
Year of Registration: 1838
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Manchester (1837-1924)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 488

Thanks both

Ashton is not quite Oldham though.

I need to get William and Hannahs birth certs but even then I might not be able to link James to Henry

Have you got James' birth certificate or are you just taking the age on the 1841 census as correct ?


EDIT :

I'll take the delete as a NO

Maybe he's one of these.

Deaths Mar 1839 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Greenwood Henry - Ashton &c 20 107
OR
Greenwood Henry - Ashton &c 20 3[79


Ashton & Oldham Registration District

???

Deaths Mar 1839
Greenwood Henry Ashton &c 20 107
Greenwood Henry Ashton &c 20 3[79]

Originally you said they had 3 children by 1838. Could Ann be the third?

Ann, William, Hannah.



Ozi

The third child James is found on the 1841 living with his grandmother Susanna Whitehead.

Guessed is harsh, theorised more like.

Piecing together the jigsaw and threads

I can't find Henry on the 1841?

When did he die?

So you guessed the name of the man she may have married..................

Just because the husband wasn't there in 1841 doesn't mean he'd died

Did you check 1851?

You haven't yet said how you know the woman's maiden name

William was 1836 but Hannah was 1838/9

Sorry, they got missed by mistake: Ann, 1834 & William, 1836

Ozi

What were the names?

The problem I have is Betty Greenwood was living with two of her children Hannah and William in 1841.

No husband
The only death of a Greenwood I could find was Richard.

I need to get William and Hannahs Birth Certs.

But I want to find Bettys marriage too.