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Marriage certs are always a good safe bet.

You would need to transcribe it all and then go for key certs to prove relationships.

But i would wager what we have found is fairly conclusive.

As you say there are still plenty of 'ends' that still need clearing up. The danger is you can get to 'off track' before you register everything you have for now.

Just remember to come back to the same thread and not starting another one, whereby there is a danger of data being repeatedly found.

If you do choose to come back, just add the word 'Updated' to your thread title.


Tracey x

How interesting in 1871... seems Martha jnr's dad James was staying at his sister's, just as Martha does 10 yrs later.

1871 RG number: RG10 Piece: 1587 Folio: 78 Page: 7
Reg. District: Cambridge Sub District: St Andrew the Less
Address: Russell Street, St Andrew The Less, Cambridge County: Cambridgeshire
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FLEET, George Head M 32 1839 Cambridgeshire
FLEET, Martha Wife F 32 1839 Cambridgeshire
PARR, Fanny Mother F 74 1797 Cambridgeshire
PARR, James Boarder M 27 1844 Cambridgeshire
SPARKE, Rebecca Visitor F 21 1850 Cambridgeshire

Another weird thing...

In 1881 we have

SPARKE, Caroline Visitor Widow F 52 1829 Isleha Cambridgeshire

....and in 1871 we have

SPARKE, Rebecca Visitor F 21 1850 Cambridgeshire

Could the Sparke's be related somewhere too? Probably through the famale line?



Tracey x

That looks as if it completes the picture, thank you LiverBird & Tracey.

[Edit: completes the picture for now, I'm sure when I get my head around all of this there will be new lines to follow.]

I now need to transcribe this lot and make it all tie together. For my purposes (family interest rather than scientific study) this looks to me to be pretty conclusive. To what extent might it be advisable to confirm any of this by ordering certificates and so on?

Keith

Mother Fanny's death?

Deaths Jun 1884 Parr Fanny 87 Newmarket 3b 306


T x

The 1861 just has Martha with her parents.


1861 RG number: RG09 Piece: 1035 Folio: 94 Page: 28
Reg. District: Newmarket Sub District: 5 Soham
Address: East End, Isleham, Cambridgeshire County: Cambridgeshire
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PARR, Martha Head Unmarried F 22 1839 Grocer Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, Thomas Lodger Unmarried M 68 1793 Water Man Burwell Cambridgeshire
PARR, Frances Lodger F 63 1798 Isleham Cambridgeshire


T x

1841 England Census about James Parr
Name: James Parr
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambridgeshire, England
Civil parish: Isleham
Hundred: Staploe
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Newmarket
Sub-registration district: Soham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 73
Book: 8
Folio: 17
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Parr 48
Fanny Parr 47
William Parr 16
Mary Parr 12
Thomas Parr 9
James Parr 6
Royal Parr 4

The 1851 ties in quite a few things....

1851 RG number: HO107 Piece: 1763 Folio: 134 Page: 20
Reg. District: Newmarket Sub District: Soham
Address: Watter Side Drove, Isleham County: Cambridgeshire
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PARR, Thomas Head Married M 57 1794 Bargeman Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, Fanney Wife Married F 52 1799 Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, Thomas Son Unmarried M 19 1832 Bargemans Son Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, James Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Bargemans Son Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, Royal Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Bargemans Son Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, Martha Daughter F 11 1840 Scholar Isleham Cambridgeshire

It adds Royal into the equation, and establish's James and Martha as siblings :-)


T x

Yeah,

You have already been given the 1871 census details with Martha jnr with her father James.

So you will need to find the 1861 & 1851 to catch James with his sister Martha snr to prove the relationship.

You've already got a headstart in knowing James & Martha's mother is Fanny.


Tracey x

Yes, you're right Tracey, sorry I missed the second reference:

Martha jnr could well be Grandaughter/Cousin/Niece
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As Martha jnr is listed on the 1871 census as being the daughter of James Parr, i would suggest she's Martha Fleet's niece.

So to confirm the suggestion, I would need to find Marth Fleet (Parr) parents, find her brothers & sisters, and find Martha jnr's parents amongst them. Have I got that logic right?

Keith

I'm working on that now :-)

T x

Thanks LiverBird, great! But that knocks my theory on the head. Ho hum. So I'm still left with a mystery around the Batt / Ball family.

Keith

I've already answered it!

T x

Perfect, Tracey, thanks. So now the challenge is to tease out:

Martha jnr could well be Grandaughter/Cousin/Niece

That's a todo for another night!

Keith

Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
Fletcher John Newmarket 3b 1205
Fuller Honor Newmarket 3b 1205
******Parr James Newmarket 3b 1205
*****Sangster Jane Newmarket 3b 1205

Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
HOUGHTON Ann Newmarket 3b 1084
LAMBERT Edward Newmarket 3b 1084
*****PARR James Newmarket 3b 1084
*****REED Sarah Newmarket 3b 1084

Thanks LiverBird, John Royal is almost certainly one of the sons.

"Can't find any marriages for Betsey Parr to Ball, Batt or Bull??"

"BATT, Betsey Sister Married F 30 1871 "

Is it significant that the status here is "married", ie not widowed?

I suppose this means going back another generation to check parents of James Parr.

Wait a minute, I don't know the maiden name of Jane, wife of Thomas. If this was Batt / Bull / Ball then would that count (almost) as sister of the head of household?

Keith

To carry on with Martha. she is still a servant in 1901. Appears she married

Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
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Ellington Robert N. Witchford 3b 1258
Parr Martha N. Witchford 3b 1258


1911

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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ELLINGTON, Robert Head Married M 50 1861 Farm Working Foreman Isleham Cambs VIEW
ELLINGTON, Martha Wife Married
7 years F 45 1866 Isleham Cambs VIEW
ELLINGTON, Enard Son Son Of Former Marriage M 14 1897 Working On Fram Tick Fen Wartoys VIEW
ELLINGTON, Robert J Son M 5 1906 School Stone Nr Mard Cambs VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9167 Reference:
RG14PN9167 RG78PN488 RD183 SD1 ED6 SN78

Registration District:
Newmarket Sub District:
Cheveley Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Kirtling

Address:
Vicarage Farm Kirtling Cambridgeshire County:
Cambridgeshire

Andy

Yep, Fanny should have been listed as Mother in Law to the head of the household.

Marriages Jun 1863
FLEET George Newmarket 3b 885
PARR Martha Newmarket 3b 885

The above is the relevant marriage.

As Martha jnr is listed on the 1871 census as being the daughter of James Parr, i would suggest she's Martha Fllet's niece.

As George Fleet has land, it was probably an easy way of providing Martha with work and space?



T x

This clears up the 1881 a bit for you.

1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 1680 Folio: 86 Page: 27
Reg. District: Newmarket Sub District: Soham
Address: East End, Isleham County: Cambridgeshire
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FLEET, George Head Married M 42 1839 Farmer Of 14 1/2 Acres Employing 3 Men Isleham Cambridgeshire
FLEET, Martha Wife Married F 42 1839 Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, Fanny Mother Widow F 84 1797 Isleham Cambridgeshire
PARR, Martha Servant Single F 15 1866 Domestic Servant Isleham Cambridgeshire
SPARKE, Caroline Visitor Widow F 52 1829 Isleha Cambridgeshire

Seems Fanny is George's mother? It might be she's actually Martha's (1839) mother ??

Martha jnr could well be Grandaughter/Cousin/Niece

T x

1911 England Census about John Royal Parr
Name: John Royal Parr
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Isleham Cambridgeshire
Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 69 Duckett Street, Stepney E
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: COAL PORTER
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Registration District Number: 21
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town South Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Piece: 01610
Household Members:
Name Age
John Royal Parr 48
Jane Parr 47
John Royal Parr 18
William Percy Parr 16
Frederick James Parr 12
Ada Maud Parr 9


Married 21 yrs
6 children
5 lliving

Thanks for the explanation, Tracey, I thought there would be one (checked??) transcription to which everyone had access, silly me!

And the "in service" explanation makes a lot of sense - now why didn't I think of that! Thanks for the record Andrew.

Apart from the Parrs being pretty common around Newmarket, what can we deduce from:

George Fleet 42
Martha Fleet 42
Fanny Parr 84
>>>>Martha Parr 15
Caroline Sparke 52

Note Fanny, mother perhaps of Martha Fleet, and note the recycling of Martha?

Or am I letting my imagination run away with me here?

Keith