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I shouldn't worry too much about the Coachman ND bit, it's some over writing that has been written onto Thomas's line on the original, but may relate to another peron.

T x

Martha 1881. Out as a servant, probaby to bring extra income into the household

1881 England Census
about Martha Parr
Name: Martha Parr
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Isleham, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Isleham
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street Address: East End
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Domestic Servant

Registration district: Newmarket
Sub-registration district: Soham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1680
Folio: 86
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
George Fleet 42
Martha Fleet 42
Fanny Parr 84
>>>>Martha Parr 15
Caroline Sparke 52


Andy

Can't find any marriages for Betsey Parr to Ball, Batt or Bull??

The 2 stray children are probably in service somewhere else in the country.


Tracey x

Keith,

Most Genealogy websites transcribe their own data.... they do not share a common source.

So Findmypast & Ancestry (for example) both have people transcribing the same records... they are all effectively repeating the same task numerous times over!

That's where our subs come into play... part of them go towards the cost of this!

Sooooo, this means different sites can deliver different quality of results. I personally find FMP more accurate for transcriptions then Ancestry.

Tracey x

Offspring of James and Jane:

1871:
Fanny Parr 9
John R Parr 8
Martha Parr 5
Thomas W Parr 3
Mary Parr 1

1881:
Fanny PARR Daur. U Female 19 Isleham, Cambridge, England Housekeeper
Thomas W. PARR Son Male 13 Isleham, Cambridge, England Post Boy (Coachman N.D.((Messenger)))
Mary PARR Daur. Female 11 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar
Sarah Jane PARR Daur. Female 9 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar
Jessie PARR Daur. Female 7 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar
James PARR Son Male 6 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar

John & Martha seem to have disappeared (or have different names) by 1881.

Sarh, Jessie, & James are new arrivals.

Keith

I'm sure you're right, Tracey, but I was curious because this implies the record(s) was transcribed twice and ended up in two different places. Or that's my interpretation anyway. I ddn't know there were multiple different copies of the transcribed census.

Keith

Which offspring Keith?

T x

Brilliant, Andy, thanks.

Now I need to sort out the offspring as it looks as if some died young.

Jane's death in 1877 makes sense too.

Keith

Keith,

The differences are simply transcriptors interpretation of what they are looking at.

Handwriting from that era can be very very hard to decipher.


T x

Thanks LiverBird, that's my Father:
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Arthur William Parr
Name: Arthur William Parr
Record Type: Baptism
I didn't know he had been baptised, but I supose pretty well everyone was as a matter of course.

Thanks for the two births, Tracey, those are definites.

Interesting comprison between LiverBird's and Choccy's listings: is the sister's family name Ball or Batt? They both refer to the same time, so what are the different origins of the extracts please?

Keith

1871 for Thomas

1871 England Census
about James Parr
Name: James Parr
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Parr
Gender: Male
Where born: Isleham, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil parish: Isleham
Ecclesiastical parish: Ely
Town: Isleham
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newmarket
Sub-registration district: Soham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 74
Piece: 1600
Folio: 91
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
James Parr 37
Jane Parr 33
Fanny Parr 9
John R Parr 8
Martha Parr 5
Thomas W Parr 3
Mary Parr 1


possible death for Jane

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Dec 1877 (>99%)
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PARR Jane 38 Newmarket 3b 332


Andy

That was fast! Thank you very much.

Andrew & safc: yes, that's the marriage I have but there's more detail her, thanks.

In Choccy's post, I thought "Dck ws a nickname for Richard, any chance it might be also for William?

Am I interpreting this record correctly: three Batts, presumably the married name of Betsey Parr who was TW's sister, living in the house?

Andrew & Mike: Parr Thomas William Newmarket 3b 562 - could be, but how could I confirm this please?

Mike: that 1881 household is very interesting. Looks as if James' wife Jane was no longer living with him (perhaps died?) and eldest daughter was looking after the household.

Any idea what the N.D. Messenger is all about?

Are the records of the 1871 census available?

Thanks again

Keith

1901 England Census about Arthur Parr
Name: Arthur Parr
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thos Wm Parr
Mother's Name: Edith Parr
Gender: Male
Where born: Hoxton, London, England
Civil parish: Isleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 23
Piece: 1184
Folio: 152
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Wm Parr 25>>>>>>>>Horse keeper born Cambridge
Edith Parr 28
Arthur Parr 5
Ellen Parr 3
Dick Parr 2
Betsey Ball 30>>>>>>>>>>>Sister
Florie Ball 5
Sophie Ball 3

Name:John Henry Thomas Parr
Record Type:Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:abt 1898
Baptism Date:4 Dec 1898
Father's Name:Thomas William Parr
Mother's Name:Edith Louise Parr
Parish or Poor Law Union:Hoxton St John
Borough:Hackney
Register Type:Parish Registers

Address: Lyttle Street?
Father's occupation: Mail Driver

Birth: 30 Oct 1898

Tracey x

Name:Ellen Jane Parr
Record Type:Baptism
Estimated Birth Date:abt 1897
Baptism Date:23 May 1897
Father's Name:Thomas William Parr
Mother's Name:Edith Louise Parr
Parish or Poor Law Union:Hoxton St John
Borough:Hackney
Register Type:Parish Registers

Address: 45 Huntingdon Street
Father's occupation: Carman

Birth: 9 Apr 1897


Tracey x

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Arthur William Parr
Name: Arthur William Parr
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1895
Baptism Date: 15 Sep 1895
Father's Name: Thomas Parr>>>>>>>>>>>>Mail driver
Mother's Name: Edith Louise Parr
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 45 Huntington St

Births Sep 1873 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PARR Jessie - Newmarket 3b 549

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Household: 1881

James PARR Head W Male 46 Isleham, Cambridge, England Coal Porter (Lab)
Fanny PARR Daur. U Female 19 Isleham, Cambridge, England Housekeeper
Thomas W. PARR Son Male 13 Isleham, Cambridge, England Post Boy (Coachman N.D.((Messenger)))
Mary PARR Daur. Female 11 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar
Sarah Jane PARR Daur. Female 9 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar
Jessie PARR Daur. Female 7 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar
James PARR Son Male 6 Isleham, Cambridge, England Scholar


Dwelling Waterside Drove
Census Place Isleham, Cambridge, England

Could tis be him ?


Births Jun 1867 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parr Thomas William - Newmarket 3b 562