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Thanks Wayne and Margee.

We have Frederick and Selina in 1901 and know all about them after that. We also know all about Selina back to her birth.

I think we need to get Frederick's birth cert - he is on the 1871 as 8 months old and there is 1870 birth that would tie up - then we can look for John and Margaret's marriage.

Still can't find John and Margaret before 1871. Apparently there is a family story about an Irish connection so possibly they lied about their POBs.

Thanks again everyone for your help.

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1881 England Census
about John Brown Name: John Brown
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Margaret
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: Ship Court 3 York St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: (Chimney) Sweep

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: St Margaret Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 118
Folio: 19
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
John Brown 38
Margaret Brown 34
John Brown 13
Frederick Brown 10
Margaret Brown 2
Mary A. Brown
William J. Chamberlain 27

Possible marriage?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about John Brown
Name: John Brown (Labourer)
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Spouse Name: Margaret Gasser (no occ)
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Apr 1865
Parish: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John William Brown (Farmer)
Spouse Father Name: Peter Gasser (Musician)
Register Type: Parish Register

He: 6 Green Bank
She: 19 Raymond St

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Frederick William Brown
Name: Frederick William Brown
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1896
Baptism Date: 12 Apr 1896
Father's Name: Frederick William Brown
Mother's Name: Selina Frances Brown
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clapham St Paul
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 7 Portslade Terrace, Clapham. Father's a Carman.

EDIT:

There is a Barnes family at that address in 1891 and the Levens family there in 1901 :-(


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I am still trying to find the family in 1891 and 1901. According to the family's story, there was another son, George, b 1882

This is them in 1871, all born Westminster:

1871 England Census
about Fred Brown
Name: Fred Brown
Age: 8 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Brown
Mother's Name: Margaret Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St George Hanover Square
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Belgrave
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household Members: Name Age
John Brown 27
Margaret Brown 24
Ellen Brown 7
John Brown 3
Fred Brown 8 Months
Edward Brown 5
Eliza Harris 50 lodger

Good teamwork.
Glad to help.

Gwyn

Thanks, Gwyn, have just PMd you. Yes, That is the family I have been trying to tie Frederick to.

The Frederick I have found in 1891 is living at the same address as on the marriage cert and George Blumire, one of the marriage witnesses is at the same address.

I think that is a result.

Thanks, Dea, for the offer but problem solved!! :-)

Edit: should have said, Frederick in the 1891 is sweep.

Is this them in 1881
Father John is a Sweep..... which could be what cert. says?

Name: Frederick Brown
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Brown
Mother's Name: Margaret Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Margaret
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: Ship Court 3 York St
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: St Margaret Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 118
Folio: 19
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
John Brown 38
Margaret Brown 34
John Brown 13
Frederick Brown 10
Margaret Brown 2
Mary A. Brown
William J. Chamberlain 27

Yes, that's them, Margee. I am trying to trace Frederick back but with a father called John Brown it is not easy. I am pretty sure that I have them but it all depends on John's occupation and that is very unclear on the marriage cert. But, I have found Frederick in 1891 with the same occupation as I think John's is on the cert.

Tracey agrees with me that it could be what I think it is.

I would be happy to take a look.

Dea x

The family in 1901?

1901 England Census
about Frederick W Brown Name: Frederick W Brown
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Selina F Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Westminster, London, England

Civil parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 168
Piece: 445
Folio: 16
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick W Brown 30
Selina F Brown 31
Frederick W Brown 5
John H Brown 1

Thanks Gwyn, have sent it attached to a PM.

Agree, Tracey, very unclear. I think the image is of the original cert from 1894, so I would expect it to be a bit faded!

If I zoom it right up, I think I can make it out but the person I am helping doesn't agree with what I think.

Anyone else like to have a go?

I'm happy to take a look too, if you like.

Gwyn

Well...

That's just not a word!!!

It's not very clear at all :-\


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Thanks, Tracey - the image isn't on line, but I will try to send to you as a PM attachment. Fingers crossed!

Potty i am happy to look at it for you :-)

Is the image online ?

T x

I now have an image of Selina's marriage to Frederick Brown but it is not very clear. It is Frederick's father's occupation that I am trying to find.

If I PM the image as an attachment, could somebody look at it for me? I know what I think it is (and want it to be!) but would like other opinions.

Thanks

Yes, it is very confusing, Margee. I have been looking at this since midday, as well as a few hours yesterday, and wish I could refresh myself!

Had enough for today - if anybody posts anything else, I will be back tomorrow.

But, please don't spend time going backwards with Selina - I have everything on her.

Edit: Margee, just noticed your addition to the passenger list, so she was a widow when she emigrated and was going to join her "husband" - presumably the brother George she is supposed to have married - will look at the Ontario marriage link you gave earlier - but not tonight!

Thanks both of you.

Thanks, K, but that is not the Selina we are looking for. Our Selina was Selina Frances Hodder and we do have her in 1901 with Frederick. It is the (supposed) marriage to George that is we can't find.