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John, have you traced Adah back on the census to confirm her father's name? Who, when and where did she marry?

I cannot find an Ada(h) born 1832 in Cumberland on the 1841.

you read what she said incorrectly by the way - she said

"I seriously think you have got yourself confused" which is quite different from saying you are seriously confused - think about it!! :-)

thanks both. As I say am not one easily offended. I treat people how I like to be treated and wouldn't consider telling them they are very seriously confused without provocation or good cause. Anyway. Thats me.

Yes - most likely that private tree is mine as I've not found anyone on the various with interests in thompson / muncaster.

I have to say the lancashire on line records site is brilliant. Through the marriage bond info it freely provides locations. Which is why for first time I'd been able to confirm that the joseph marrying margaret was of brankinwall. Family serach doesn't give that detail. Also there's a huge array of probate stuff also giving locations and for branckinwall spelt many ways over years indicates Thompson wills going back to early 18th C and beyond. Its a great asset people should know about.

J

Sylvia has been helping people on here for yonks and is never ever rude in any way - I truly think you have read what she said and seen something that isn't there and wasn't meant to offend in any way

Something to bear in mind is that the written word with no facial or hand gestures can be misconstrued :-)

well,


I'm very sorry that you took it that way


and undoubtedly you do know much more than me as I have never actually used that particular Lancashire site, despite being a Lancashire lass.

and, no, 2 people both getting married at 21 didn't ring any bells for me ............. that is not at all unusual.


I didn't, and don't, see it as being rude ......... particularly as I started by saying that I myself was confused.


However ..... be that as it may.


I apologise because you did find it "a tad rude".


BTW .... I didn't actually "see" a year date ....... 1793. I reached 1793 by deducting 29 from year 1822, and getting the answer ca 1793. Just as I got the year ca 1814 for the next entry.




I'm sorry you are offended, and I won't impinge on you again.

You obviously believe that what you have found is correct, and I cannot help you either determine yea or nay with that.





sylvia


ps ....................


there is a Private Family tree on ancestry, and he has Adah Thompson Steele, b. 1832. Did you know about this??

PS:

I've just re-read your post.

Don't you think..."I seriously think you have got yourself confused" ....is a tad rude and both a little harsh to a practical newbie..when you've clearly racked up many posts under your belt (and should know better) and perhaps a little rash....as clearly a little extra thinking time would have realised 2 folks married at 21 must ring just a little bell.

Am not taking offence don't worry. Just worth considering the tone of your posts. perhaps you don't realise. everyone has their way.

Anyway - thanks for viewing and testing my theory. Every little bit helps.

DJ

PS: its 01:00 am in blighty so off to bed....please don't blast me in my absence... I'm sure 9 out of 10 people would confirm being told they're seriously confused by a stranger is a little annoying. :-D

PS: Quote.....

Many yeomen were prosperous, and wealthy enough to employ servants and farm labourers. Some were as wealthy as the minor county or regional landed gentry and some even leased land to gentleman landowners. Some could be classed as gentlemen but often did not aspire to this status: it was cheaper to remain a yeoman. Often it was hard to distinguish minor landed gentry from the wealthier yeomen, and wealthier husbandmen from the poorer yeomen.

thanks

I've noticed a surprising number of marriages where both bride and groom are 21 on the Lancashire Records site. Either they were quite set in their ways n this bit of world or , more the case, I think its their way of saying 'full age' when specific age is not entered.

Thankfully for me a specific age was entered in one as you spotted 1793. Also thankfully a Joseph Thompson is found baptised in Muncaster on 15 Nov 1793. Of a William Thompson from Brankinwall married to an Ann Birket.

I have a marriage entries for Joseph thompson yeoman of Brankinwall ( 1836) and probate entries for same name gentleman of Brankinwall (1839). Yeoman is after all 'just' a landowner. I guess some own more than others.

Brankinwall is a large farm/estate still noted on maps and visible via Google street view so its the same name, place and person ie: Brankinwall isn't an area or street.

I remain hopeful - but welcome challenges to test theory.

Hope that clears the confusion for you.

Cheers
J

I

I'm sorry, I see confusion here


you posted the following (I've extracted the bit that is confusing me)


Title Marriage Bond
Date 13/06/1822 <<<<<<<<<
Description Groom surname: Thompson
Groom forename(s): Joseph
Groom age: 29 <<<<<<<<<
Groom occupation/status: Gentleman
Groom marital status: Bachelor


ie, Joseph must have been born about 1793


then you post ..............

Repository Lancashire Archives
Level Item
Reference number ARR 11
Title Marriage Bond
Date 30/12/1835 <<<<<<<<<<
Description Groom surname: Thompson
Groom forename(s): Joseph
Groom age: 21 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Groom occupation/status: Yeoman
Groom marital status: Widower


Joseph must have been born ca 1814


The first Joseph, the one who married Mary Nicholson, would have been 42 in 1835.




These CANNOT be the same man!!


I first noticed the Gentleman vs Yeoman ................. that just doesn't usually happen



But the ages are completely wrong! A man doesn't lose that many years!



I seriously think you have got yourself confused ......... seeing Widower has led you up the wrong path.





sylvia

ah okay - I'd not thought to check census as I'm looking at the 1800 - 1840 period in Muncaster, Cumberland. But yes I can see the point.

I remain hopeful.

With the issue being to find an Ada thompson born in Muncaster ~1832 with a father -noted as a gentleman - Joseph.

And the(only) evidence being an Adah Thompson steele born to a Margaret Steele of Shaw, Muncaster in 1832. And then a Margaret Steele of Shaw marries a widower and gentleman Joseph thompson of Brankinwall, Muncaster in 1836.

You can see why I'm drawing some lines between the dots. :-)

J

Janet Thompson Steele
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 17 Oct 1878 St. James,? Whitehaven,? Cumberland,? England
residence: Whitehaven,? Cumberland,? England
parents: David Steele,? Mary


name: Janet Thompson Steele
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 17 Oct 1878
baptism/christening place: St. James, Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
father's name: David Steele
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: I03548-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 90681

Thompson Steele
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 12 Apr 1886 St. John,? Workington,? Cumberland,? England
residence: Workington,? Cumberland,? England
parents: Matthias Steele,? Ann Jane Steele


name: Thompson Steele
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Apr 1886
baptism/christening place: St. John, Workington, Cumberland, England
father's name: Matthias Steele
mother's name: Ann Jane Steele
indexing project (batch) number: I03762-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1472070

Eleanor Thompson Steele
England and Wales Census, 1911
birth: Workington,? Cumberland
census: 1911 Workington,? Workington,? Cumberland,? England


name: Eleanor Thompson Steele
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Female
age: 28
birthplace: Workington, Cumberland
record type: Household
registration district: Cockermouth
sub-district: Workington
parish: Workington
county: Cumberland

Catherine Thompson Steele
England and Wales Census, 1891
birth: Workington,? Cumberland
census: 1891 England


name: Catherine Thompson Steele
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Female
age: 7
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Workington, Cumberland
record type: Household
registration district: Cockermouth
sub-district: Workington
ecclesiastical parish: St Johns
civil parish: Workington
county: Cumberland

John Thompson Steele
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1867 Whitehaven,? Cumberland,? England
census: 1881 Whitehaven,? Cumberland,? England
parents: James Steele,? Jane Steele


name: John Thompson Steele
age: 14
gender: Male
birth year: 1867
birthplace: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Assist Overseers Clerk
address: 5 Richmond Terrace
census place: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1342251
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 5185 / 13

what do you think am doing wrong ? As I tried that angle and whole of Family Search has only 20 thompson steele with no other parameters entered at all. none are in cumberland.

ie:

Historical Records
1-20 of 20 results for >Name: thompson steele

Mary Thompson Steele
New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924
residence: Baltimore,? Maryland
immigration: 21 Sep 1906
Mae Thompson Steele
North Carolina Deaths, 1931-1994
birth: 03 Nov 1906 Union County,? N.C.
death: 17 Sep 1964 Charlotte,? Mecklenburg Co.,? North Carolina
burial: 18 Sep 1964 Charlotte,? N.C.
residence: 17 Sep 1964 Charlotte,? Mecklenburg,? N.Carolina
parents: J.F. Thompson,? Martha Biggers
spouse: W. Earle Steele
Mary T. Thompson Steele
Massachusetts Deaths and Burials, 1795-1910
birth: 1814
death: 09 Nov 1872
parents: William Thompson,? Agnes
spouse: James Steele
Mary Ann Thompson Steele
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: John Steele
child: Andrew Steele
Martha Thompson Steele
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: William John Thompson
child: Jane Thompson
Mary Ann Thompson Steele
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: John Steele
child: Andrew Steele
Caroline Thompson Steele
Jamaica Births and Baptisms, 1752-1920
spouse: Frederick Steele
child: Joseph Alfred Steele
Caroline Thompson Steele
Jamaica Births and Baptisms, 1752-1920
spouse: Frederic Steele
child: Steele
Virginia Lou Steele Thompson
Minnesota, Birth Index, 1935-2002
spouse: Stanley Howard Thompson
child: Craig Lee Thompson
Janet Thomsone Or Steel
Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 16 May 1708 Saint Cuthberts,?Edinburgh,?Midlothian,?Scotland
spouse: James Mackie
Susan R. Thompson Steel
Massachusetts Marriages, 1841-1915
birth: 1829
marriage: 24 Feb 1877 Malden,? Massachusetts
parents: Samuel,? Rebecca
spouse: John L. Slocomb
Nancy Thompson Steel
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: John Thompson
child: Robert Thompson
Martha Thompson Steel
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: William John Thompson
child: Mary Thompson
Nancy Thompson Steel
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: John Thompson
child: Robert Thompson
Annie Thomson Steel
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
spouse: John Steel
child: Rebecca Thomson Steel
Christina Thomson Steel
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
spouse: Hugh Steel
child: James Steel
Margaret Thomson Steele
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
spouse: John Steele
child: Alexander Steele
Ethel Thomson Steele
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
spouse: James Steele
child: Helen Jenkins Steele
Jeanie Thomson Steel
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
spouse: John Steel
child: John Steel
Athelia Thompson Steel
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse: Mathew Steel
child: Mary Jane Steel

there are many Thompson Steele's born in Cumberland

Adah Thompson Steele
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 25 Apr 1832 Muncaster,? Cumberland,? England
residence: Muncaster,? Cumberland,? England
parents: Margaret Steele


name: Adah Thompson Steele
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 25 Apr 1832
baptism/christening place: Muncaster, Cumberland, England
mother's name: Margaret Steele
indexing project (batch) number: I03761-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1472059