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OK then it looks like I'll have to get hold of the Birth Cert. from the Uk
many thanks to everyone for the effort put in

I do not think the 1861 census Lynski posted is your William and Sarah because that couple are still with the mother in 1871 with no children,

I cannot find them anywhere in 1861/71 you need that birth cert for James as it will tell you sarahs maiden name and there maybe an address for 1871

I don't have the birth cert. of James or any of the others
I have to get them from the Uk and I live in NZ and it can take
2-3 weeks.
I have the marriage of William son of James to Eliza Reynolds
and that is all. thats how I know the fathers name is James.
From 1881 and after I'm ok it's prior to 1881 that I find
problems.

PM from Arthur -

Hi
I do have the marriage of James, son of William and their address in Gateshead in 1911 ( Pine St.) which confirms James birth in Sunderland
the others in the family that I know of have been born in Northumberland and Cumberland.

Arthur

Arthur

I thought you wanted to find William and Sarah Before 1881?

Can you please answer our questions about the certs

The 1901 census for James's family is the same except for the addition
of another daughter in about 1904 and they'd moved from Benwell to Gateshead.

Stuart,
I asked for Arthur to post the censuses just to find out how he had worked back, to see what was definitely true and what was speculation. (Particularly the ages of William and Sarah)
I wanted to know, if possible, the family in 1911, 1901, 1891, 1881,(that he implied he had found) and that he had birth and marriage certificates for the relevant people.
If he has not got James Sharp's 1871 birth certificate then he is missing vital information.

Do you have James's birth cert? if not it would be an idea to purchase it rather than guess the marriage of his parents

?
Name: James Sharp
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1871
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 653 (click to see others on page)

In the 1881 census they both mention they were born in Wigton in Cumberland she says she's 48 ie born 1833 and he says 46 ie born
1835.
I was looking for a partner called Sarah and came across Sarah Miller
and a marriage of 1850 in Cockermouth but that would only make him
about 15/16 of course the census taker could have written down the wrong age.
James married Annie Robinson in Ulverston in Cumberland.

Patchem had asked poster for "who James 1871 married and children or post the censuses for him" Hoping there might be something to link the earlier and later finds i suppose.
I can't see any of the family in 1871 which might help.

Stuart

I think Arthur has all the info re James it is before 1881 he is looking for

just to add this is the marriage Arthur has for James and Annie

Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
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ROBINSON Annie Ulverston 8e 1487
Sharp James Ulverston 8e 1487

From your tree on ancestry this is the marriage you have

Marriages Sep 1850 (>99%)
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Miller Sarah Cockermouth 25 69
Sharp William Cockermouth 25 69

Do you have evidence that this is their marriage? as already mentioned if he was born 1835 or 1837 he may have been a bit young to marry

?? JAmes 1891

1891 census transcription details for: Torpenhow, Torpenhow Whitrigg, Torpenhow

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 4298 Folio: 6 Page: 6

Reg. District: Wigton Sub District: Abbey Holme
Parish: Torpenhow Whitrigg Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: St Michaels City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Torpenhow, Torpenhow Whitrigg, Torpenhow
County: Cumberland

Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation , Disability Where Born
FERGUSON, Edward Head Single M 29 1862 Farmer Torpenhow Cumberland
FERGUSON, Agnes Sister Single F 32 1859 Torpenhow Cumberland
FERGUSON, John Brother Single M 26 1865 Sorter Post Office
Torpenhow Cumberland
SHARP, James Servant Single M 20 1871 Farm Servant
Sunderland Durham
ARMSTRONG, William Servant Single M 16 1875 Farm Servant
Rumbland Cumberland
BLACKSTOCK, Annie Servant Single F 16 1875 General Servant Domestic
AllhallowsCumberland

Civil Registration event: Marriage
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Name: SHARP, James
Registration district: Carlisle
County: Cumberland
Year of registration: 1897
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 10B
Page no: 979
MarriageFinder: James Sharp married one of the following people:

HUDSON, Ann
JOHNSON, Elizabeth
RAFFLES, Herbert Henry

Herbert and Elizabeth are on 1901 census together in Carlisle

Same family 1901

1901 census transcription details for: 47, Beech Street, Benwell

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 4776 Folio: 139 Page: 54


Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District: Westgate
Parish: Benwell Enum. District: 66
Ecclesiastical District: St James City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 47, Beech Street, Benwell
County: Northumberland

Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation ,Disability Where Born
SHARP, James Head Married M 30 1871 Quarryman (Freestone)Sunderland Northumberland
SHARP, Annie Wife Married F 28 1873 Upperby Cumberland
SHARP, Sarah J Daughter F 3 1898 Carlisle Cumberland
SHARP, William Son M 2 1899 Ridsdale Northumberland
SHARP, Annie M Daughter F 1 1900 Ridsdale Northumberland
SHARP, Isbella Daughter F 0 (1 MOS) 1901 Benwell Northumberland

And would this be his marriage?
Civil Registration event: Marriage

Name: SHARP, James
Registration district: Bootle (Cumberland)
County: Cumberland
Year of registration: 1898
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 10B
Page no: 1219
MarriageFinder: James Sharp married one of the following people:

DOYLE, Annie
FLYNN, Agnes
MCGARRY, William

EDIT - perhaps not, see below, found a better candidate given eldest childs birthplace

Is this your James (b 1871 Sunderland)
1911 census transcription details for: 122 Pine Street Gateshead

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN30412 RG78PN1748A RD557 SD2 ED2 SN438

Reg. District: Gateshead Sub District: Gateshead
Parish: Gateshead Enum. District: 2
Address: 122 Pine Street Gateshead
County: Durham

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age BirthYear Occupation Where Born
SHARP, James Head Married13 years M 40 1871 Coal Miner Sunderland Durham
SHARP, Annie Wife Married F 38 1873 House Duties Upperby Carlisle Westmorland
SHARP, Sarah Jane Daughter Single F 13 1898 School Carlisle Cumberland
SHARP, William Son M 12 1899 School Ridsdale Cumberland
SHARP, Annie Mary Daughter F 11 1900 School Ridsdale
SHARP, Isabel Daughter F 10 1901 School Benwell Northumberland
SHARP, Alice May Daughter F 4 1907 Carlisle Cumberland

Arthur

Could you please reply on the thread by adding to the bottom of all the posts.

Yes I know you had the record I gave...I added it to help us find him, as other details help like place of birth plus the dob you gave as 1832 is a bit different to the 1835 and 1837 that has been found for William.

Where did you find him born 1832?

Is this William and Sarah with some children from 1881 census in 1891?
1891 England Census
William Sharpe
Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Sharpe Gender: Male Where born: Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Orton Ecclesiastical parish: Orton County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England Occupation: farm labourer
Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: Dalston
ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Piece: 4294 Folio: 9 Page Number: 11
William Sharpe 54
Sarah Sharpe 53
Mary Sharpe 27
Robert Sharpe 24
David Sharpe 6 son could be Kendle for surname also
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4294; Folio: 9; Page: 11; GSU roll: 6099404.

Could you say who James (1871) married, and children, or post the censuses for him?
Thanks.