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Hi i am looking for any connection with my mother Patrica Barbara ( Hill) fostered name (Page) bn 2/6/1932. 58 Berwick Avenue
father unknown ,Her mother who was (Adopted) Georgina hill (Atcham 10 pound lane Broseley this info taken from birth extract .

Annie Bertha Georgina Sabin was adopted by Mary/William Hill at 11 years old as Hannah Sabin 1867 is Georginas Mother
on Annie Marriage certificate 1943 it shows Annie Bertha Georgina Sabin (spinster) 43 years old married Alfred Norman Barber 39 years old in the district of Wellington county Shropshire residents 1 Martin road Wellington

Annie shows her father as Richard Sabin (deceased)

DEATH CERTIFICATE Annie Bertha Georgina Barber married to Alfred Barber shows 9/1/1965 st Lakes hospital Rugby shows there residence as 16 Bromwich road Rugby.

Mary Chambers married Edward Sabin both born 1835 they had 11 Children
there Daughter Hannah Sabin (5) bn in born Oct 1867 West Bromwich county of Worcester
then Hannah had a child Annie Bertha Georgina Sabin bn 1900

Annie then had a Child Patricia Barbara (Page)Hill bn 2/6/1932 (fostered)
to the Page family 3 months old

Generial register office no BXBY160535 (Hannah)
registrar of Marriage District Wellington P 309378
shows Richard Sabin as Father ???

talk about a brain teaser could you advise me on how to follow up to find Annie Bertha Georgina Sabin Partner
Chris/ Australia updated 30/4/2012 ;-)

Im well confused! Heres a birth for Annie but where do you want to go from here?


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Annie Bertha G Sabin
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1900
Registration district: Madeley
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 599

Just putting this for a 'handle' on the family
1871 England Census
Edward Sabin
Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Sabin
Gender: Male Where born: West Bromwich Civil parish: Oldbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Oldbury
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: Oldbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household schedule number: 87 Piece: 2975 Folio: 91 Page Number: 18
Edward Sabin 36
Mary Sabin 36
William Sabin 15
Charles Sabin 12
Thomas Sabin 10
John Sabin 8
Joseph Sabin 5
Hannah Sabin 3
Alfred Sabin 1
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2975; Folio: 91; Page: 18; GSU roll: 838863.

Why do think that Georgina Hill is the same person as Annie Sabin?


Births Jun 1932 (>99%)
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Hill Patricia B Hill Atcham 6a 912

As the father isn't named on Patricia's birth cert, you have very little hope of ever finding out his identity

What do you mean by 'cared-for' name? Was she adopted?

1901 England Census
about Hannah Thorpe
Name: Hannah Thorpe
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Thorpe
Gender: Female
Where born: Oldbury, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Oldbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England


Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Oldbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 145
Piece: 2717
Folio: 37
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
James Thorpe 36
Hannah Thorpe 35
Arthur Thorpe 8
James Thorpe 2
Alfred Sabin 31
George Sabin 25
Edward Sabin 16


So Hannah married James Thorpe

If Annie's father is Richard, then Hannah (her mother) is a Sabin by marriage not birth?

If the mother was actually Annie Sabin, she obviously used the name Georgina Hill to cover up her real identity

Hannah was born 'Sabin'.....who the heck Richard is :-S

Have you contacted others who have these people in their trees on here?

This looks like Alfred Norman

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Alfred Norman Barber
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1903
Registration district: Madeley
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 612


1911 England Census
Name: Norman Barber
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Little Wenlock, Salop, England
Civil parish: Dawley
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Portley, Dawley, Shropshire
Registration district: Madeley
Registration District Number: 348
Sub-registration district: Dawley
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Household schedule number: 179
Piece: 16018
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Barber 34
Keziah Barber 30
Norman Barber 7
Albert Barber 6
William Barber 4
Percy Barber 2
Frank Barber 4/12




Marriages Dec 1902
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Barber John Thomas E Madeley 6a 1419
BOYCOTT Kezia Madeley 6a 1419

From a tree on Ancestry


Alfred Norman Barber
Barber Family Tree
Birth: 16 November 1903 (16 Nov 1903) - Shropshire, England
Marriage: 25 September 1943 (25 Sep 1943) - Salop (Shropshire)
Death: 22 February 1975 (22 Feb 1975) - Rugby, Warwickshire, England
Parents: John Thomas Barber, Kezia Boycott
Spouse: Ann Bertha Georgina Sabin


Might be something to work on but dont take this info as fact!

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Alfred Norman Barberr
Name: Alfred Norman Barberr
Birth Date: 16 Nov 1903
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1975
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Rugby
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 31
Page: 0308

1911 census - household transcription
Person: THORPE, Hannah
Address: 3 Court 4 Talbot ST


THORPE, James Head Married M 45 1866 Roller's Labourer Iron Worker Oldbury Worcestershire VIEW
THORPE, Hannah Wife Married
22 years F 44 1867 Oldbury Worcestershire VIEW
THORPE, Arthur Son Single M 17 1894 Tipe Warmer Oldbury Worcestershire VIEW
THORPE, James Son M 11 1900 Oldbury Worcestershire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17270 Reference:
RG14PN17270 RG78PN1060 RD371 SD2 ED15 SN162

Registration District:
West Bromwich Sub District:
Oldbury Enumeration District:
15 Parish:
Oldbury

Address:
3 Court 4 Talbot ST County:
Staffordshire

??

1911 census - household transcription
Person: BARBER, Keziah
Address: 8 Portley Dawley

BARBER, Thomas Head Married M 34 1877 Sanitary Ware Packer Dawley Shropshire VIEW
BARBER, Keziah Wife Married
8 years F 30 1881 Salop Little Wenlock VIEW
BARBER, Norman Son M 7 1904 Salop Little Wenlock VIEW
BARBER, Albert Son M 6 1905 Dawley Shropshire VIEW
BARBER, William Son M 4 1907 Dawley Shropshire VIEW
BARBER, Percy Son M 2 1909 Dawley Shropshire VIEW
BARBER, Frank Son M 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Dawley Shropshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
16018 Reference:
RG14PN16018 RG78PN988 RD348 SD1 ED4 SN179

Registration District:
Madeley Sub District:
Dawley Enumeration District:
4 Parish:
Dawley

Address:
8 Portley Dawley County:
Shropshire
(5 children born and living)

From a tree on Ancestry.....


Adoption
William Thomas Barber's Auntie Mary took ABG in (called Queenie)

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Thank you for replying i am new at this Geneology.

what i am trying to find out is My Mothers Father . or Georgina -s Parents the confusion is with the birth certificate of my Mother Patrica Barbara (adopted by Page Family) as below

Registration District Atcham sub district of Shrewsbury county of Shropshire
when/where Born 2/6/1932 58 Berwick Avenue
Name Born Patrica Barbara
Father Unknown
Name and maiden name of mother Georgina Hill of no occupation of 10 Pound Lane Brosely
residence of informant G Hill 58 Berwick Avenue Shrewsbury
When Registered 13/6/1932
(Edward Percy Everest superintendent of registry)

my mother went to England on holiday and followed up the info my Patrica came back with this information that Annie Bertha G Sabin was that of Her mother, had to follow both leads.

Patrica married Clifford Mervyn Grocott 19~~ Wem parish Church
went on to have

Richard 19~~
Peter 19~~
Chris 19~~
Anne 19~~
Shrewsbury

then migrated to Australia on SS Strathaird 1958
Sharon 19~~ Western Australia
Robert 19~~ Western Australia

should i be following mums birth Certificate if so where do i start
regards Chris Grocott

Where is Annie Bertha Georgina Sabin in 1901/1911 please?