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LauraJH

LauraJH Report 20 Apr 2012 12:12

Oh, okay : ) No apology needed : )
Thankyou : )

patchem

patchem Report 19 Apr 2012 18:53

It is the way it has been copied over from ancestry, it means that he is the Head of the Household, and then that his spouse's name is Emma
So I apologise, I should have added punctuation
Relation: Head,
Spouse's Name: Emma Hebbard

Death records usually show as the name that they are using when they die, which is normally their most recent married name, in England.

LauraJH

LauraJH Report 19 Apr 2012 13:41

Also, would death records show up in their married name or maiden name?

LauraJH

LauraJH Report 19 Apr 2012 13:36

I saw Head Spouse in one of your posts: -

"This George is a bootmaker, just no Charles H, however Willie and William??
1891 England Census
George Hebbard Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
====>>Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Hebbard<<=======
Gender: Male Where born: Hackney, London, England
Civil parish: Hackney Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary of Eton
Town: Homerton County/Island: London
Country: England"

Ah, I see. So, for Popperwell, if I was to see Popplewell or Popporwell, they are still relations (if they were born within the same time/area? Thankyou : )

patchem

patchem Report 18 Apr 2012 21:22

Where have you seen 'Head spouse'?
The spellings of surnames evolves, there is no correct way, just agreement might arise within families, or take different turnings. If you have never seen it written then how you pronounce it is going to influence how it was written down - just think of regional accents.

LauraJH

LauraJH Report 18 Apr 2012 19:24

I'm not quite sure : S
My grandad did mention that his dad (or grandad) was the more educated out of his siblings and spoke, and wrote, his name as Hebbard, whereas his siblings all said it as Hibbard. But, as far as I know, it was infact Hebbard.
No, we have not yet checked any enumerators handwriting etc; I am eventually going to take a trip down to the Record Office that is most local to me though, which may help further.
Also, what does it mean when it says "Head spouse" or similar? Thankyou : )

LauraJH

LauraJH Report 18 Apr 2012 19:14

Oh...Ah, I see : D
I understand it now. Thankyou for your help. Much appreciated : )

patchem

patchem Report 16 Apr 2012 20:22

Hebbard and Hebberd are interchangeable - could your great grandparents spell or were they illiterate? Did they check what the enumerator had written down when he filled in the forms? How clear was his handwriting, a squiggle can be mis-interpreted.
Similarly with Popperwell.
I have a T in the middle of my surname, my daughter always had it recorded wrongly without the T by other people.

If this is Caroline's death:
Deaths Mar 1961
HEBBARD Caroline E 70 Epping 5a 68
she was born in 1890 not the 1875 that you thought, which agrees with the censuses found.

I do not think anyone has yet found her in 1901, and she appears to be born in 1890, with Mother Eliza showing in 1891 census, with her father remarrying in 1891 after the census, to Theresa Elizabeth Debney.

LauraJH

LauraJH Report 16 Apr 2012 12:15

This may help --::
The children that Charles Hebbard & Caroline Popperwell had:

Charles Hebbard (b1911-1973)
Caroline Hebbard (b.1912-c1961)
Florence hebbard (b.1914-c2000) - married William Wright
Rose Hebbard (b.1915-c1985)
Annie hebbard (b.1917-c1990)
Percy hebbard (b.1921-1930) - Died aged 9 due to Diptheria.
Lilian Hebbard (1927 - present)

There may be one other child, but am not sure : S

LauraJH

LauraJH Report 16 Apr 2012 12:06

Thankyou for your searches : )
I'm a little confused by them though (Sorry, I'm a partial beginner : S)
Also, I'm not sure if it could be possible that these surnames change as you go back further? - From what my grand-parents have said, they only know the names by Hebbard (a.r.d) - not sure about the e.r.d variation - hebberd?); Popperwell (e.r) - not sure about the l.e - popplewell or the o.r variation - popporwell?).
I found out yesterday, by my grand-parents, that my great-grandfather Charles Henry George Hebbard b.1911 - d.1973 (the son of the Charles who I've asked your help for) was in the rag trade therefore, it is possible that the information posted in one of the replies above (about my great-great-grandfather Charles Henry George Hebbard b.c1888) was a metal trader??
I have however, not come across the name Debney in my relations as of yet??
Thankyou : )

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Apr 2012 11:39

Name: Henry Poperwell <<(Looks like) Coal Whipper
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Spouse Name: Caroline Morre
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 May 1865
Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Samuel Poperwell Deceased
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Morre Trimming Weaver
Register Type: Parish Register


The surname for Caroline and her father Samuel is MOORE on the actual image.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Apr 2012 11:32

Name: Thomas Debney <<< Plumber
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Spouse Name: Rebecca MacKadam Father John Mackadam, Printer
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Sep 1854
Parish: Lambeth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Gerard Debney <<<Plumber
Register Type: Parish Register

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Apr 2012 11:25

Eliza hiding as Teresa in 1881...........

Name: Thomas Debney
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rebecca Debney
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Mile End New Town
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 170 Old Montague St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Plumber

Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Mile End New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 441
Folio: 79
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Debney 51
Rebecca Debney 49
Teresa Debney 15
Charles Debney 11
Mary Ann Debney 8

1871

Name: Tereas Debney
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Debney
Mother's Name: Rebecca Debney
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitechapel
Civil parish: Christchurch Spitalfields
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 52
Piece: 508
Folio: 17
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Debney 40
Rebecca Debney 37
Thomas Debney 15
Tereas Debney 4
Charles Debney 2

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 15 Apr 2012 11:24

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Emma Philadelpha Cohan
Name: Emma Philadelpha Cohan
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Spouse Name: George Hebbard
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1871
Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Peter Cohan Boot maker
Spouse Father Name: George Hebbard Upholsterer
Register Type: Parish Register

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Apr 2012 11:17

1891

Name: Caroline Popplewell
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Popplewell
Mother's Name: Caroline Popplewell
Gender: Female
Where born: Spitalfields, London, England

Civil parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephens
Town: Spitalfields
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 3 New Square

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 273
Folio: 24
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Popplewell 48 Carman
Caroline Popplewell 46
Caroline Popplewell 23
Annie Popplewell 17
Samuel Popplewell 15
Sarah Popplewell 12
Eliza Popplewell 10
Albert Popplewell 7
Thomas Popplewell 5
Richard Popplewell 2

1881

Name: Henery Popplewell
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henery Popplewell
Mother's Name: Caroline Popplewell
Gender: Male
Where born: London Bethnal Green, London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Christ Church
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 29 Quaker St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Van Guard

Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 434
Folio: 26
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Henery Popplewell 36
Caroline Popplewell 35
Henery Popplewell 16
Caroline Popplewell 14
George Popplewell 11
Ann Popplewell 7
Samuel Popplewell 4
Sarah Popplewell 2
Not Christd Popplewell Daughter 7 Days

1871

Name: Henry Popplewell
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Popplewell
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 84
Piece: 501
Folio: 32
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Popplewell 28
Caroline Popplewell 26
Henry Popplewell 5
Caroline Popplewell 3
George Popplewell 1

Gee

Gee Report 15 Apr 2012 11:09

Ive edited the marriage as I put the father as a shoe maker and he was indeed a boot maker

Sorry about that!

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Apr 2012 11:06

Not seeing a birth for Caroline at the moment. Can anyone else spot it please?

patchem

patchem Report 15 Apr 2012 10:59

Hiding as Charlie
1901 England Census
: George Hebberd Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Hebberd
Gender: Male Where born: Hackney, London, England
Civil parish: Hackney Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary of Eton Hackney Wick County/Island: London Country: England
Street Address: 29 Felstead Street
Occupation: Boot Maker (Laster)
Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Household schedule number: 27 Piece: 233 Folio: 144 Page Number: 6
George Hebberd 47
Emma Hebberd 45
George Hebberd 20
Walter Hebberd 15
xxx Charlie Hebberd 13
Florrie Hebberd 11
Louisa Hebberd 9
Annie Hebberd 8
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 233; Folio: 144; Page: 6.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Apr 2012 10:59

Name: Henry Popperwell <<Carman
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Theresa Debney
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Aug 1891
Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Henry Popperwell <<<Carman
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Debney <<<Plumber
Register Type: Parish Register



Just posting this marriage too as it looks like Henry's sister Caroline married Elizabeth's brother Charles.


Name: Caroline Popperwell
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Spouse Name: Charles Debney <<Greengrocer
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 21 Nov 1892
Parish: Spitalfields Christ Church with St Mary and St Stephen
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Henry Popperwell <<<<Carter
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Debney <<Plumber
Register Type: Parish Register

patchem

patchem Report 15 Apr 2012 10:50

This George is a bootmaker, just no Charles H, however Willie and William??
1891 England Census
George Hebbard Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Hebbard
Gender: Male Where born: Hackney, London, England
Civil parish: Hackney Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary of Eton
Town: Homerton County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 90 Chapman Road
Occupation: boot maker
Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Piece: 207 Folio: 145 Page Number: 77
George Hebbard 37
Emma Hebbard 35
Emily Hebbard 14
Sarah Hebbard 12
George Hebbard 10
Willie Hebbard 6
William Hebbard 3
Florence Hebbard 1
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 207; Folio: 145; Page: 77; GSU roll: 6095317.