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LauraJH
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20 Apr 2012 12:12 |
Oh, okay : ) No apology needed : ) Thankyou : )
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patchem
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19 Apr 2012 18:53 |
It is the way it has been copied over from ancestry, it means that he is the Head of the Household, and then that his spouse's name is Emma So I apologise, I should have added punctuation Relation: Head, Spouse's Name: Emma Hebbard
Death records usually show as the name that they are using when they die, which is normally their most recent married name, in England.
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LauraJH
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19 Apr 2012 13:41 |
Also, would death records show up in their married name or maiden name?
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LauraJH
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19 Apr 2012 13:36 |
I saw Head Spouse in one of your posts: -
"This George is a bootmaker, just no Charles H, however Willie and William?? 1891 England Census George Hebbard Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 ====>>Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Hebbard<<======= Gender: Male Where born: Hackney, London, England Civil parish: Hackney Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary of Eton Town: Homerton County/Island: London Country: England"
Ah, I see. So, for Popperwell, if I was to see Popplewell or Popporwell, they are still relations (if they were born within the same time/area? Thankyou : )
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patchem
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18 Apr 2012 21:22 |
Where have you seen 'Head spouse'? The spellings of surnames evolves, there is no correct way, just agreement might arise within families, or take different turnings. If you have never seen it written then how you pronounce it is going to influence how it was written down - just think of regional accents.
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LauraJH
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18 Apr 2012 19:24 |
I'm not quite sure : S My grandad did mention that his dad (or grandad) was the more educated out of his siblings and spoke, and wrote, his name as Hebbard, whereas his siblings all said it as Hibbard. But, as far as I know, it was infact Hebbard. No, we have not yet checked any enumerators handwriting etc; I am eventually going to take a trip down to the Record Office that is most local to me though, which may help further. Also, what does it mean when it says "Head spouse" or similar? Thankyou : )
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LauraJH
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18 Apr 2012 19:14 |
Oh...Ah, I see : D I understand it now. Thankyou for your help. Much appreciated : )
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patchem
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16 Apr 2012 20:22 |
Hebbard and Hebberd are interchangeable - could your great grandparents spell or were they illiterate? Did they check what the enumerator had written down when he filled in the forms? How clear was his handwriting, a squiggle can be mis-interpreted. Similarly with Popperwell. I have a T in the middle of my surname, my daughter always had it recorded wrongly without the T by other people.
If this is Caroline's death: Deaths Mar 1961 HEBBARD Caroline E 70 Epping 5a 68 she was born in 1890 not the 1875 that you thought, which agrees with the censuses found.
I do not think anyone has yet found her in 1901, and she appears to be born in 1890, with Mother Eliza showing in 1891 census, with her father remarrying in 1891 after the census, to Theresa Elizabeth Debney.
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LauraJH
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16 Apr 2012 12:15 |
This may help --:: The children that Charles Hebbard & Caroline Popperwell had:
Charles Hebbard (b1911-1973) Caroline Hebbard (b.1912-c1961) Florence hebbard (b.1914-c2000) - married William Wright Rose Hebbard (b.1915-c1985) Annie hebbard (b.1917-c1990) Percy hebbard (b.1921-1930) - Died aged 9 due to Diptheria. Lilian Hebbard (1927 - present)
There may be one other child, but am not sure : S
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LauraJH
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16 Apr 2012 12:06 |
Thankyou for your searches : ) I'm a little confused by them though (Sorry, I'm a partial beginner : S) Also, I'm not sure if it could be possible that these surnames change as you go back further? - From what my grand-parents have said, they only know the names by Hebbard (a.r.d) - not sure about the e.r.d variation - hebberd?); Popperwell (e.r) - not sure about the l.e - popplewell or the o.r variation - popporwell?). I found out yesterday, by my grand-parents, that my great-grandfather Charles Henry George Hebbard b.1911 - d.1973 (the son of the Charles who I've asked your help for) was in the rag trade therefore, it is possible that the information posted in one of the replies above (about my great-great-grandfather Charles Henry George Hebbard b.c1888) was a metal trader?? I have however, not come across the name Debney in my relations as of yet?? Thankyou : )
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rootgatherer
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15 Apr 2012 11:39 |
Name: Henry Poperwell <<(Looks like) Coal Whipper Age: Full Age Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Spouse Name: Caroline Morre Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 29 May 1865 Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Samuel Poperwell Deceased Spouse Father Name: Samuel Morre Trimming Weaver Register Type: Parish Register
The surname for Caroline and her father Samuel is MOORE on the actual image.
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rootgatherer
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15 Apr 2012 11:32 |
Name: Thomas Debney <<< Plumber Age: Full Age Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Spouse Name: Rebecca MacKadam Father John Mackadam, Printer Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 30 Sep 1854 Parish: Lambeth St John the Evangelist Borough: Lambeth Father Name: Gerard Debney <<<Plumber Register Type: Parish Register
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rootgatherer
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15 Apr 2012 11:25 |
Eliza hiding as Teresa in 1881...........
Name: Thomas Debney Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Rebecca Debney Gender: Male Where born: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Mile End New Town County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 170 Old Montague St Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Plumber Registration district: Whitechapel Sub-registration district: Mile End New Town ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 441 Folio: 79 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Debney 51 Rebecca Debney 49 Teresa Debney 15 Charles Debney 11 Mary Ann Debney 8 1871
Name: Tereas Debney Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Debney Mother's Name: Rebecca Debney Gender: Female Where born: Whitechapel Civil parish: Christchurch Spitalfields County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Whitechapel Sub-registration district: Spitalfields ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 52 Piece: 508 Folio: 17 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Debney 40 Rebecca Debney 37 Thomas Debney 15 Tereas Debney 4 Charles Debney 2
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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15 Apr 2012 11:24 |
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Emma Philadelpha Cohan Name: Emma Philadelpha Cohan Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Spouse Name: George Hebbard Spouse Age: 25 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 Dec 1871 Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Peter Cohan Boot maker Spouse Father Name: George Hebbard Upholsterer Register Type: Parish Register
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rootgatherer
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15 Apr 2012 11:17 |
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Name: Caroline Popplewell Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Henry Popplewell Mother's Name: Caroline Popplewell Gender: Female Where born: Spitalfields, London, England Civil parish: Christchurch Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephens Town: Spitalfields County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 3 New Square
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Whitechapel Sub-registration district: Spitalfields ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 273 Folio: 24 Page Number: 42 Household Members: Name Age Henry Popplewell 48 Carman Caroline Popplewell 46 Caroline Popplewell 23 Annie Popplewell 17 Samuel Popplewell 15 Sarah Popplewell 12 Eliza Popplewell 10 Albert Popplewell 7 Thomas Popplewell 5 Richard Popplewell 2 1881
Name: Henery Popplewell Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Son Father's Name: Henery Popplewell Mother's Name: Caroline Popplewell Gender: Male Where born: London Bethnal Green, London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Christ Church County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 29 Quaker St Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Van Guard Registration district: Whitechapel Sub-registration district: Spitalfields ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 434 Folio: 26 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Henery Popplewell 36 Caroline Popplewell 35 Henery Popplewell 16 Caroline Popplewell 14 George Popplewell 11 Ann Popplewell 7 Samuel Popplewell 4 Sarah Popplewell 2 Not Christd Popplewell Daughter 7 Days 1871
Name: Henry Popplewell Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Caroline Popplewell Gender: Male Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Town ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Household schedule number: 84 Piece: 501 Folio: 32 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age Henry Popplewell 28 Caroline Popplewell 26 Henry Popplewell 5 Caroline Popplewell 3 George Popplewell 1
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Gee
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15 Apr 2012 11:09 |
Ive edited the marriage as I put the father as a shoe maker and he was indeed a boot maker
Sorry about that!
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rootgatherer
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15 Apr 2012 11:06 |
Not seeing a birth for Caroline at the moment. Can anyone else spot it please?
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patchem
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15 Apr 2012 10:59 |
Hiding as Charlie 1901 England Census : George Hebberd Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Hebberd Gender: Male Where born: Hackney, London, England Civil parish: Hackney Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary of Eton Hackney Wick County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 29 Felstead Street Occupation: Boot Maker (Laster) Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Household schedule number: 27 Piece: 233 Folio: 144 Page Number: 6 George Hebberd 47 Emma Hebberd 45 George Hebberd 20 Walter Hebberd 15 xxx Charlie Hebberd 13 Florrie Hebberd 11 Louisa Hebberd 9 Annie Hebberd 8 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 233; Folio: 144; Page: 6.
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rootgatherer
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15 Apr 2012 10:59 |
Name: Henry Popperwell <<Carman Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Spouse Name: Elizabeth Theresa Debney Spouse Age: 23 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 30 Aug 1891 Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Great Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Henry Popperwell <<<Carman Spouse Father Name: Thomas Debney <<<Plumber Register Type: Parish Register
Just posting this marriage too as it looks like Henry's sister Caroline married Elizabeth's brother Charles.
Name: Caroline Popperwell Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Spouse Name: Charles Debney <<Greengrocer Spouse Age: 23 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 21 Nov 1892 Parish: Spitalfields Christ Church with St Mary and St Stephen Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Henry Popperwell <<<<Carter Spouse Father Name: Thomas Debney <<Plumber Register Type: Parish Register
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patchem
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15 Apr 2012 10:50 |
This George is a bootmaker, just no Charles H, however Willie and William?? 1891 England Census George Hebbard Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Hebbard Gender: Male Where born: Hackney, London, England Civil parish: Hackney Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary of Eton Town: Homerton County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 90 Chapman Road Occupation: boot maker Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: South Hackney ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Piece: 207 Folio: 145 Page Number: 77 George Hebbard 37 Emma Hebbard 35 Emily Hebbard 14 Sarah Hebbard 12 George Hebbard 10 Willie Hebbard 6 William Hebbard 3 Florence Hebbard 1 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 207; Folio: 145; Page: 77; GSU roll: 6095317.
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