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Hi Reggie
you are on the ball Joseph 1824 & Alice 1826/7 as youwill have notist
the spelling I'm not much better ps there was possibe Ann 8 aug1830
re Henry / Nanny.
Doug

Hi
First of all contact is howard not Stephen in this instance he as
Iasbella death 1838 which i did not wan't to say hes wrong untill
I prove it.
Second Vera posted 1841 for Henry on Pg 1 of this tread
up to henry of henry are his 1st wife Ann morris m 14 feb 1824
Henry belive born of Mary Aspinall before she m Henry 3 oct 1836
As you will see Isabella apearers 1841 Elizabeth dose not, 1851
about face I have often wonderd if they were one, can't find birth for them.
Thay are on computer easyer to delete ifproven wrong not cloged up with paper. hope this helps
I'm on ftm tree itdose not copy & paste, if it dose Ihave not been able to.
Doug

Anthony Coubourn

Christening:
23 APR 1829 Saint Paul, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Henry Coubourn
Family
Mother: Ann

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C162161


Name: Alice Couburn
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 1827
baptism/christening place: ST. PAUL, BLACKBURN, LANCS, ENGLAND
birth date: 1826
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Henry Couburn
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C16216-1
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1470927
reference number: - 2:3RLQTT2



Name: Joseph Cowburn
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 15 Nov 1824
baptism/christening place: ST. PAUL, BLACKBURN, LANCS, ENGLAND
birth date: 1824
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Henry Cowburn
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C16216-1
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1470927
reference number: - 2:3RLNPMT
Source Citation

Elizabeth in 1851 is the age that Isabel (not recorded as Isabella) would have been - and there is no Elizabeth in 1841.

The two names could sound similar if not enunciated clearly

There is a four year gap between the death of Henry's first wife and his re-marriage - so who knows who the parents were of the children born in the interim period

Douglas

You say Stephen is 'prone to getting things wrong' - in what way?

If his findings differ from yours, it doesn't necessarily mean that he is the one who is wrong

You have not yet given any clear indication of how you connect to 'Isabella'. Please would you enlighten us - to help us to help you

And here's Isabella.

1851 England Census
Name: Isabella Coubourn
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Coubourn
Mother's Name: Alice Couborn
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Blackburn
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 25 Spring Gardens

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn

Piece: 2258
Folio: 511
Page Number: 39
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Coubourn 40 - Iron Founders Labourer
Alice Couborn 40 - Washerwoman
Thomas Coubourn 17 - Roaper [??? Roper perhaps?]
William Coubourn 16 - Powerloom Weaver
Isabella Coubourn 14 - Creeler with Mill [googled - Cotton Reeler]
Ann Coubourn 9
Joshua Coubourn 7
Alice Coubourn 2
Henry Coubourn 2 Mo
John Livesey 37 - Lodger
Martha Livesey 46 - Lodger
Sarah Livesey 6 - Lodger

So this is your Isabel?

1871 England Census
Name: Isabel Boardman
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Boardman
Gender: Female
Where born: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Blackburn
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn

Piece: 4174
Folio: 67
Page Number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
John Boardman 28 - Cotton Mill Labourer
Isabel Boardman 32 - Cotton Mill Rover
Joseph Boardman 6
Mary E Boardman 3
John E Boardman 2
Margaret A Boardman 10 Months
Alice Cowburn 21- Housekeeper
Ralph Almond 27
Thomas Almond 6

All living at 3 Swan Street




And this could be sister Alice with her family.

1861 England Census
Name: Joseph Cowborne
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice Cowborne
Gender: Male
Where born: Lower Darwen, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn

Piece: 3105
Folio: 17
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Cowborne 50 - Labourer
Alice Cowborne 50
Joshua Cowborne 15
Alice Cowborne 12
James Cowborne 5
Elizabeth Eddleston 39 - Lodger

I want to be convinced that you are researching the right Isabella Cowburn. If she was alive in 1863 in order to be married, what made you think she died in 1838?

But the Isabella married in 1863 has a father Joseph, not Henry. So what has caused you to home in on Isabella, i.e. how is she related to you?

No birth of an Isabella Cowburn around 1839. No sign on the 1861 census, just before the above marriage.

Hi Ann
The puzzle dose not get any better, aspin /aspinall Cowburn / Cowbrand / Couburn Isabellas Father Henry bap Couburn on opc father Joseph Couburn married Cowburn, yet 1782 Bap Cowbrand mother Grace Cowbrand Father unknowen, Grace also had a ? Ralph 1784 Bap
Cowburn. Grace Cowburn Married John ASPDEN 1790 no info from this point. If you don't under stand this lot will have to send you a copy & paste
of each one as I get cramp to much typing + spelling not good.
Doug

the thing that puzzles me is that ALL the children born after 1827 are on lancsbmd but in every case the mmn = Aspin not Aspinall

eg (this one is Thomas)

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
COWBURN (boy) Darwen Blackburn ASPIN D/4/65

what I have found so far

nothing at Lower Darwen

St Paul's Blackburn
Richard c 28-2-1838 b 2-11-1837
Alice c 30-9-1839 b 23-6-1839

(that particular register only went up to 1840)

But I did find

c 9-6-1835 Henry Aspinall s of Henry & Mary Aspinall

could the 1st 3 children listed in 1841 actually be Mary's before marriage to Henry Cowburn or is it just a coincidence

Hi Ann
That will be great if you can find out as all Isabella's sibleings
are in the same boat, I was born Wyre Hall Farm Upper Rawcliffe Great Eccleston Lancashire England, Baptise, St Micheal's Church, St Micheal's on Wyre. have not been back to blackpool since I was a lad oprox 1960.
If only I had started my tree back than things could have been different.
Thanks which ever way it go's.
Doug

as all the children on the 1851 say born Lower Darwen I wonder if that is where the missing ones were baptised. Baptisms for there are only on line up to 1832.

I can have a look if you like when I am next in the record office but not sure exactly when that will be. Probably within the next 3 weeks.

Hi Vera
I have been led to beleave some Births & Baptisms were keep with mill
owners if it is so they may never be found, what do you think.
doug Ps 11pm tues in Aust

Hi Douglas,
These gremlins come and go with our computers... dam things :-)
Glad it is fixed. Still no luck with Isabella/Elizabeth.


Regards Vera

Hi Vera
Computer went down so went to bed here Did not get to computer untill
12 miday tues 15 your time as I was out all day.
Untill I saw Isabella's ? death I took it as Isabella 1841 was Elizabeth 1851
now its another bit of info to fixs.

Doug

Just been looking back on the thread ,on the 1851 census there is an Elizabeth Cowburn b 1834....but she is not on the 1841 !!!!!!!

Regards Vera

Where did Isabella go from the 1851 census onwards( she is not with her family?).....anybody please......she is not the Yorkshire Isabella.

Regards Vera

Hi ANN
I do have the 2 deaths
Thanks

Doug

From Doug....

Hi vera
Vera & all thanks so much will follow up on relevent info will have to wait untill the info comes on line. thanks again
doug