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HI Marie Celeste

Thank you so much for all of the additional information, I certainly didn't expect you to carry on looking for me - that's so kind.

I have a good few things to follow up on now, especially the addresses which I always like to know, The majority of them are local to me as I live in London so I can look at them on street view.

I really appreciate everything you've found out for me.

Thank you

Christine :-)

Deaths of Reuben and Emma's first spouses:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Mary L Kitt
Birth Date: abt 1861
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1919
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 1d
Page: 264

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: William T Gliddon
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1913
Age at Death: 52
Registration district: St Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 29

This could be the Plymouth connection:

GLIDDON, William Thomas Head Married 26 years M 48 1863 Musical Director Plymouth Devon
GLIDDON, Emma Wife Married F 46 1865 Plymouth Devon
GLIDDON, Jessie Daughter Single F 16 1895 London Surrey
BROADLEY, Emily Sister Married25 years M 42 1869 Plymouth Devon

RG number: RG14 Piece: 2090 Reference: RG14PN2090 RG78PN72 RD25 SD4 ED41 SN113
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub District: Brixton
Enumeration District: 41
Parish: Lambeth

Address: 7 Lancaster House Rushcroft Road S W County: London

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965
Name: Reuben Edward Kitt
Electoral Year: 1922
Parliamentary Division: Lambeth
County or Borough: Lambeth

He was living 3 Raeburn Street, SW2 with Emma Creever Kitt.

On the 1918 ER he was living Raeburn Street with Mary Lucy, 1920 he was alone and 1921 he was with Emma Creever.

Reuben Nedman's baptism:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Reuben Nedman Ray
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1896
Baptism Date: 19 Apr 1896
Father's Name: Richard William Ray < Labourer
Mother's Name: Alice Ray
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Mary the Less
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 41 Wickham Street.

Just an afterthought -

When my grandad died, he was the son of Alice Kitt and Richard Ray, we found among his papers an old birth certificate with the name Reuben Nedman Ray. My mum never knew anthing about this brother of her dads and she knew a lot and we both said where did the name Reuben come from - all of their other children had names of the time so perhaps Reuben and Alice were close and she named her son afer her brother - I would like to think so,

Sadly Reuben died in 1899 aged 3.

Thanks again,

Thank you Christine. Yor very welcome. Happy to help.

Andy

Well Marie Celeste and Andrew - Thank you you have made my night.

I knew it was too much of a coincidence for Rays and Kitts marrying so had to be brother and sister and it would appear you have both confirmed that.

Thank you so so much.

You are fantasticaly helpful people you lot. I very much appreciate all your help. :-) :-) :-)

Hi Marie Celeste

Reuben could have remarried - timelines are right. As I said all I know is what I have put on here tonight. Maybe Emma Gliddon came from Devon way and that's why he ended up there.

Food for thought!!

On the service records Andy posted the next of kin is first given as father Wm which was later crossed out and changed to sister Alice Ray. So I think that's your connection.

Don't be hung up on the Middlesex/Surrey - parts of London were sometimes classed as one or the other.

A quick skim through the record. jioned army 1876 aged 14. there are notes about his pension as late as 1926.

Andy

Hi Marie Celeste

Thanks - yes could be. I am not very good regarding thinking "outside of the box". That's why I ask for you lovely people to help me - you all seem to know what you are doing - maybe I'll get there one day lol.

Did Reuben remarry?

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Reuben E Kitt
Name: Reuben E Kitt
Spouse : Emma C Gliddon
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1920
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 793

Hi Andy

Thank you so much. I know he was in the army from the 1901/1911 census so could be him. The only thing that throws me is that this Reuben was born Middlesex and not Surrey which it should be for mine but thank you anyway this is something I can follow up.

Regards

Christine

Christine, I was thinking that the 1874 marriage for William Kitt was Reuben's father. It may follow that Reuben was named for William's own father.

Ignore the born 1874 - when adults were over 21 they often just had "full age" entered and the year of the marriage was put as the year of birth (a daft practice, in my opinion!).

British Army Service Records 1760-1915
First name(s): Reuben

Last name: KITT

Calculated year of birth: 1862

Parish of birth: St Georges

Town of birth: London

County of birth: Middlesex

Age at attestation: 14 years

Attestation date: 7 October 1876

Attestation corps: 6TH BRIGADE OF INFANTRY

Attestation soldier number: 974

Discharge rank:

Discharge corps:

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO97 / 3242 / 105

There are 18 images available for this soldier


Andy

Sorry

The post you sent for William Kitt born 1874 with father Reuben Kitt. marrying Mary Larry.

My Reuben was born about 1862/1863 - too young to be William Kitt's father.

Christine - given that posts can happen quite quickly on here you need to say which record you're referring to!

Which is the wrong age for Reuben?

Hi

Wrong age to be my Reuben - he was born 1862ish.

Could be another relation. I won't know until I find William and Mary earlier.

Hi Thank you

Yes that could well be Reuben. Wonder why he was in Devon??

Another mystery.

Thank you