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Can any one help / advice... in the search for my mother's birth certificate.
( past help given ) I find that my mother Ada May Powell married a Fred Barker in 1941. I know nothing of Fred Barker but have been trying to make some sense of my mother's past life.Ada Margaret Powell ( Ada changed her middle name ) married Fred Barker 29th.December 1941 I have the marriage certificate and it states that Fred Barker Sapper 2132947 was serving in The Royal Engineers. I have found a Birth and death certificate for a "Fred Barker "
Birth 1/6/1911 Wakefield Road.Bradford.Father's name Fred. Dyer'sLabourer.
Death Cert' Fred Barker D.O.B 1 /6/1911 Place of Death Blackpool.formerly living in Bradford Yorkshire. Ada M.Jones died in Blackpool. How can I be sure that I have the correct certificates ? is there any chance of finding Fred Barker's D.0.B from the Royal Engineers Records.
any help or advice would be appreciated.
Margaret..

Hello Margaret, can you just clarify Fred's father's name and occupation on the 1941 marriage certificate?

Father's name Fred Barker ( Deceased ) Master Dyer.

Thanks for your reply. Margaret

1911 ???
Condition /
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
BARKER, Fred Head Married M 42 1869 Dyers Labourer Bradford York VIEW
BARKER, Mary Wife Married15 years F 42 1869 Bradford York VIEW
BARKER, Ernest Son M 14 1897 Spinning Mill Bradford York VIEW
BARKER, William Son M 12 1899 Spinning Mill Bradford York VIEW
BARKER, Elizabeth Daughter F 11 1900 School Bradford York VIEW
BARKER, Doris Daughter F 6 1905 School Bradford York VIEW
BARKER, Rita Daughter F 1 1910 Bradford York VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 26675
Reference: RG14PN26675 RG78PN1539 RD498 SD1 ED1 SN3
Registration District: Bradford
Sub District: Bowling
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Bradford
Address: 30a Wakefield Road Bradford
County: Yorkshire (West riding)



Regards Vera

You really cannot confirm without a shadow of doubt that you do have the correct certificates

..... you have to some time's take a leap of faith.


It does look to me that Fred's birth, marriage and death certificates match.

Have you actually got Fred's death certificate? That would give you where he was living, and the name of the informant, which MIGHT be Ada


or if Ada died before him, Fred might be her informant


As far as the WW2 records ............. my understanding is that they are at the Department of Defence, that serviceman or spouse can obtain the records free, but anyone else has to provide evidence of death of both serviceman and spouse AND provide evidence of relationship.

There is then a charge of £30 (I think), and a wait of several months.



someone will correct me if I am wrong!




sylvia

On Ada Mays( Margaret) marriage certificate please could you tell me her fathers name and occupation?

Regards Vera

Sorry all my electricity has been off.... I live in the country....

Vera Ada May Alderson married my father Alfred Thomas Powell in Bradford Yorkshire in 1927.Father's name Thomas Alderson. Ada then married Fred Barker in 1941 father's name given as Alfred Powell and Ada had changed her middle name to Margaret. Ada went on to marry yet again in 1952 in Blackpool to John Arthur Jones.Fathers name given as Alfred Thomas Powell

I have all marriage certificates also Death Certificate of Fred Barker.
with a lot of help on a former thread ( looking for mother's birth certificate )
I think I have come to terms with my mother's past.......... It is Fred Barker that I am interested in. What I know is that Ada Married Fred Barker in Wetherby Yorkshire in 1941. I know that a daughter was born in 1942
named Anne I have no details of this birth. I think that Ann married in 1964 in Blackpool to Salor O Ahmed. again I have no details of this marriage.Anne died in 2004.
I have Ada Margaret Jones Formerly Ada May's Death certificate and the informant was D.A. her grandson. BUT he could not tell me anything about Fred Barker, his mother could not remember her father, and Ada refused to give her any information. SO shocks all round, they did not know we 3 existed. I just want to know about Fred ? did he marry again ? and to whom ? perhaps then I can find out about mother................

Kind regards.
Margaret

I' confused here Margaret. Why would Ada give her former husband's name as her father when she married Fred Barker. On that marriage she seems to have only one name. If she had been married before in 1941 both names would have been shown on the index.

Anne on the other hand is shown in lancsbmd in 1964 has two surnames, barker & Jones

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
AHMAD Salar Othman BARKER Ann Blackpool Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackpool BL/21A/217
AHMAD Salar Othman JONES Ann Blackpool Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackpool BL/21A/217
BARKER Ann AHMAD Salar Othman Blackpool Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackpool BL/21A/217
JONES Ann AHMAD Salar Othman Blackpool Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackpool BL/21A/217

edit

sorry - got the Jones bit. Ann presumably named John Jones as her father on her marriage

Still not sure I see the details from Fred's marriage.

Can you list his age then, his father's occupation and name, and witnesses.

Also, who was the informant on his death cert?

Rose

I think you need to go back to basics with this,

Your OP says that you are looking for your mothers birth cert?

you say her name is Ada May Powell but she changed her middle name to Margaret when she married a Fred Barker

your post 29 May 2012 20:30 then says that Ada May Alderson? married your father Alfred Thomas Powell in Bradford Yorkshire in 1927.Father's name Thomas Alderson

why do you think that these two Ada's are the same person? when Ada said on her marriage to Fred Barker that father's name as Alfred Powell and that Ada also had a different middle name
you also say that in 1952 she married a Mr Jones so why do you say Ada M.Barker died in Blackpool surly she would have her death registered as Ada M Jones

you have not given any ages for your mother at any time so until you give a possible dob i fail to see how anyone can find her birth

based on what you have said so far i think these 2 Ada's are not the same people

surly if this is your mother then her maiden name and any other former names will be on your birth cert

Roy

For reference:

Marriage Record
Name Ada M Alderson
Year of Marriage 1927
Quarter of Marriage Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Bradford
Registration County Yorkshire
Spouse's Surname Powell
Volume Number 9B
Volume Page 417

Spouse Match: Ada M ALDERSON married Alfred T POWELL
Name Alfred T Powell
Year of Marriage 1927
Quarter of Marriage Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Bradford
Registration County Yorkshire
Spouse's Surname Alderson
Volume Number 9B
Volume Page 417


Marriage Record
Name Ada M Powell
Year of Marriage 1941
Quarter of Marriage Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Wetherby
Registration County Yorkshire
Spouse's Surname Barker
Volume Number 9A
Volume Page 387

Spouse Match: Ada M POWELL married Fred BARKER
Name Fred Barker
Year of Marriage 1941
Quarter of Marriage Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Wetherby
Registration County Yorkshire
Spouse's Surname Powell
Volume Number 9A
Volume Page 387

Marriage Record
Name Ada M Barker
Year of Marriage 1952
Quarter of Marriage Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Blackpool
Registration County Lancashire
Spouse's Surname Jones
Volume Number 10B
Volume Page 639

Spouse Match: Ada M BARKER married John A JONES
Name John A Jones
Year of Marriage 1952
Quarter of Marriage Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Blackpool
Registration County Lancashire
Spouse's Surname Barker Or Alderson
Volume Number 10B
Volume Page 639

the 1911 census based on the Alderson Powell 1927 marriage may help

their is this birth?
Births Mar 1902

ALDERSON Ada Maud Teesdale 10a 295



Roy

I think this is where the Alderson & Barker bits come together

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1952
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
JONES * John Arthur ALDERSON Ada Margaret Blackpool Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackpool BL/37/90
JONES * John Arthur BAKER Ada Margaret Blackpool Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackpool BL/37/90 (Barker possibly?)

but still don't see how her father can be both Alfred Thomas Powell AND Thomas
Alderson.

As you say she changed her name from May to Margaret and Ada May's 1st husband was Alfred Thomas Powell are you sure that Ada Margaret Powell is Not Ada May Powell (Alderson) & Alfred Powell's daughter
As I said before the marriage in 1841 only show the bride with 1 surname which at that date usually indicates it is a first marriage.

You say you have certificates. How do the ages of the Ada'a compare

I can't find a birth of an Ann Barker with mmn = Alderson in 1942 or 1943 but there is one with mmn = Powell.

Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1942
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BARKER Ann Lower Agbrigg / Sandal Wakefield POWELL LO-AG-SAN/2/13

mothers maiden name should be just that - the name she was born with, not her last married name

As i said this need to go back to basics

starting with your birth and parent marriage certs and all the info from both,

the marriage to Fred Barker is dubious at best based on the info you have provided

If the 1941 marriage is wrong then it makes the 52 marriage also questionable

I also cannot find a birth for Ann born abt 1942 with a mmn Alderson but their is these births in that part of the country

Births Mar 1938

Barker Elaine mothers maiden name Alderson Leeds North 9b 551


Births Jun 1944

Barker Jean W mothers maiden name Alderson Wharfedale 9a 309



Roy

Also thinking outside the box?
to go with the possible births above for Jean W and Elaine

Marriages Sep 1937

Alderson May Barker Leeds North 9b 736
Barker Horace Alderson Leeds North 9b 736
Eyre Charles H Hallam Leeds North 9b 736
Hallam Eliza Eyre Leeds North 9b 736

Hello Lancashire Ann

I don't know why my mother Ada May Powell gave my father's name when she remarried. Ada May changed her middle name to Margaret. it's all very confusing. I think she did not want to be found.
I am not convinced that the marriage to Fred Barker was legal. my father Alfred Thomas Powell died in 1950.in Bradford.Yorkshire,
Ada married Fred Barker in 1941 only one name given as Ada stated that she was a Spinster.
Ada then went on to marry John Arthur Jones in Blackpool 1952 stating
that she still was a spinster, I have Ada M Jones death certificate and it
states Ada Margaret Jones otherwise Ada May Jones died in Blackpool
1 / 3 /2002 I still can not find a Birth Certificate The date of birth is given as
17/7/2010 this date was given by her mother when she started school.

King regards
Margaret.
she

So who is your mother? you keep saying it is Ada May Powell ?but then say your father was married to your mother and the marriage cert says her father is Thomas Alderson unless she was illegitimate so that would make her name Ada May Alderson so can you confirm your mothers name as per your birth cert

her age from the marriage cert and her fathers occupation

you also keep quoting the marriage to Fred Barker as a fact but your evidance to that marriage does not add up



Roy

Hello Rose.

29th.December 1941- Fred Barker age 30 bachelor Sapper 2132947
Royal Engineers ( Cafe Manager ) Res'29 High Street. Wetherby
Home address given as 27a Station Road.Baildon.
Father's name Fred Barker ( deceased ) Master Dyer.
Ada Margaret Powell-30-spinster machine operator.aircraft production.
living Stanhope Hotel.Rodley.Leeds.Father's name Alfred Powell Deceased.
gardener domestic ( My father was in the police force )
Witness's Margaret Kavanagh .. G.A.March these names mean nothing. to me.

Kind regards
Margaret.

Due to absolutly no responce to my input or my request for further relavant factual info

I give up

Good luck


Roy