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Marie Celest.

ON re..reading my threads, you can be 100 per cent sure that ........
Ada May Alderson-Powell-Barker-Jones are one and the same person.

I have spoken to D.A. today he is the grandson from the marriage to Fred Barker. He tells me his mother was born 5th.October. 1942. in Yorkshire
but does not know where.

Thank you for all your time spent on my behalf.

Margaret

Hello Porkie. Pie.

You appear to doubt that the Marriage between Ada M.Powell and Fred barker exists ?? Whether it was legal is another matter. Ada and Fred went through a marriage ceremony at The Registry Office in Wetherby December 1941
I have the marriage certificate. Details shown in past correspondence.
I have 2 Marriage Certificates for this event, I found out that if you visit the Registry Office where the event took place, you get a true copy ,of the actual Certificate not a copy written out by some member. I wanted to see the the signature of Ada May to see if it compared with the marriage certificate of my parents.

Thanks for your help...
Regards
Margaret

hello Marie Celest.

The Birth for Alderson May June 1910 Auckland is not the correct Birth for my mother. I sent for this Certificate way back. but I thank you for the suggestion.

16th.October 1909 The Registry Office. Auckland.
Sarah Jane Branston / Brankston-18-Spinster-17 West terrace.Billy Row-Crook -fathers name Henry Branston-Coal Miner.
Thomas William Alderson.-21 -Bachelor-Coal Miner. 17 West Terrace.Billy Row-Crook.-Fathers name William Alderson Coal Miner.

Ada May Alderson was the only child born to this marriage..............

Sarah Jane Alderson remarried Joseph Thurlby in 1918 at the Registry office.Auckland 21st.August. 1918 stating that she was a widow aged 28.
living at Flag Row. Sunniside.Crook I find 2 children born to Sarah and Joseph. Rachel Thurlby 1916 and Alfred Thurlby Borb 1918.

I cannot find a Death Certificate for Thomas William Alderson, he is alive in 1911 as shown on the Census living/spending the night with his parents.Thomas William was born 19 Stanley Colliery -Crook 16th.Feb' 1888 Father's name William Mother Mary formerly Hall.

My sister always said mother was born in May 1909 The D.O.B given on Ada Margaret Jones Death certificate 17 /7/1910 was taken from Ada May's admission to Peases West County School.Crook. Ada wrote to the Co Durham Education I have a copy of such which states Entry to school August 1915 Add'number 399. Name in full Ada May Alderson (Branstone).dob 17/7/1910 given by mother. The letter also states-from the information given, you will see that the school records show you were born 1910 whereas you believed it to be 1913........

Thanks again for all your help, you can see why I struggle.
Regards
Margaret x

Although the 1911 says Ada was born Lanchester, they were actually living in Billy Row, Crook. It's a much smaller place about 9 miles from Lanchester.

As we know, locations on census are often given as the nearest town/large village which is what I suspect is the situation here.

Billy Row actually came under the Auckland registration district, as borne out by Sarah and Thomas' marriage.

Now, this birth is actually the quarter before what you'd expect for a July 1910 birth, but I still thought it worth posting:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1910
ALDERSON May Auckland 10a 245

Just a note to ponder - my own mother spent the first 60-odd years of her life celebrating her birthday on the wrong date, and giving that date wherever it was required, because that was the date my grandmother thought it was! It wasn't until Mum needed to get a copy of her birth certificate that the mistake came to light. Not saying that this is the case with Ada ........

What was the exact date of Sarah and Thomas' marriage? Wouldn't be the first time dates were fudged to cover up the fact a child was conceived before marriage.

The 1911 census says born Durham Lanchester


LANCHESTER REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Durham.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 15.1.1838 (incorporated into Durham registration district).
Re-created : 1.4.1875 (out of Durham registration district).
Abolished : 1.7.1938 (incorporated into Durham North Western, Durham Central, and Durham Northern registration districts).
Sub-districts : Annfield Plain, Consett, Lanchester, Stanley, Tanfield.
GRO volumes : XXIV (1837), 10a (1875–1938).
Registers now held by : County of Durham.


Roy

Sylvain.Canada
Marriage Certificate for my parents.
23/7/27 Alfred Thomas Powell 24-Bachelor.
Ada May Alderson. 18 -spinster.Father's name Thomas deceased. Miner

I don't wonder that you are all confused. I have been confused for 77 years
and still learning.
My mother was born ( i think ) in July 1910 so her age is incorrect on her cert'

Thanks again
Margaret x

OK Margaret, your thread is asking, How do I know if I have the correct certificates ?
you also stated Can any one help / advice... in the search for my mother's birth certificate

In order for any one to help because it looks complicated then from the information you had provided it was obvious the as i stated in my earlier post's we needed to go back to basics

That means to start with the facts? which means starting with you and your parents details

I do not dispute the 1927 marriage of your parents or the 1952 marriage to Mr Jones but with the info you had earlier provided it was impossible to say if the possible marriage to Mr Barker was correct and based on that we needed the above info relating to your birth cert and your parents marriage cert,

as MarieCeleste said above, I was just trying to build up a picture in order to go forward

But you appear to be reluctant to be forthcoming with that info and so i felt as though i could no longer help

only next of kin would be able to obtain Fred Barker's service record

Roy

Hello Marie Celeste.

Wow you have been busy. the 1911 census for the Brankston household is correct. My mother is shown living/spending the night with her mother at the home of her grandparents.( Ada May Alderson under 8 months.

Ada's father is correct Thomas Alderson is shown living/ spending the night with his parents at 3 Bowden Yard.

Thanks again for your interest and for all your time spent on my behalf.
Regards.
Margaret x

Hello janet.


Thank you for all the work you have done on my behalf. Your list of all the marriages of my mother are all correct. and informative.

Kind regards.
Margaret x

Porkie Pie.

I know who my mother is Ada May Powell formerly Alderson.
Vera has listed all the marriages.............
I have searched for years for the birth certificate of Ada May Alderson. I don't think she was registered. The date given on her Death Certificate 17th.July 1910 was taken from her school entry .
Father's name Thomas William Alderson. Mother Sara Jane Alderson
formerly Branston/Brankston.
My birth certificate states . Margaret- Father's name Alfred Thomas Powell
Mother Ada May Powell formerly Alderson.

I am not looking for a Birth Certificate............ I am asking for help or advice
on The Certificates that I found for Fred Barker. I am not sure if I have the correct one's ? I feel sure that they are a match- but wondered if there was any way of checking the date of birth from his Army Records ? I am not Fred Barker's next of kin.
I have sent you an earlier reply. But it has not been posted.I clicked submit
but sorry it has not come up on the board......... perhaps some one can advice, as to where it's gone.I struggle a bit with my computer, put it down to age.
I thank you for your interest and your help in trying to sort out a very confusing past.
Kind regards.
Margaret

Is this Ada May's father back with his family in 1911?

ALDERSON, William Head Married M 46 1865 Coal Miner Hewer New Shildon C Durham
ALDERSON, Mary Wife Married26 years F 44 1867 Crook Cf Durham
ALDERSON, Mary Jane Daughter Single F 26 1885 General Servant Domestic Crook Cf Durham
ALDERSON, Thomas William Son Married M 23 1888 Coal Miner Hewer Stanley Pit Cf Durham <<<
ALDERSON, Florence Edith Daughter Single F 20 1891 General Servant Domestic Stanley Nr Crook Cf Durham
ALDERSON, Margaret Louisa Daughter Single F 18 1893 General Servant Domestic Brown Park Cf Durham
ALDERSON, Christaine Daughter Single F 14 1897 School Woodifield Crook Cf Durham
ALDERSON, Hilda May Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Woodifield Crook Cf Durham
ALDERSON, Ada Daughter Single F 8 1903 Woodifield Crook Cf Durham
ALDERSON, John William Grandson M 4 1907 Waterhouses Cf Durham

RG number: RG14 Piece: 29938 Reference: RG14PN29938 RG78PN1732 RD551 SD1 ED16 SN145
Registration District: Durham
Sub District: Brandon
numeration District: 16
Parish: Willington

Address: 3 Bowden Yard Willington Durham County: Durham

** just trying to build up a picture in order to come forward again.

Looks like her parent's marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1909
ALDERSON Thomas William Auckland 10a 356
BRANSTON Sarah Jane Auckland 10a 356

I can see no other children born to the marriage.

I'm still not 100% convinced that Ada May Alderson and Ada Margaret (May) Powell are one and the same person. However, this is the former in 1911:

BRANKSTON, Henry Head Married 21 years M 53 1858 Coal Miner Hewer Durham Crook
BRANKSTON, Mary Ann Wife F 49 1862 Durham Howden Le Wear
BRANKSTON, Rachel Daughter F 13 1898 School Durham Billy Row
ALDERSON, Sarah Jane Daughter Married 1 years F 19 1892 Durham Rumby Hill
ALDERSON, Ada May Granddaughter F 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Durham Lanchester

RG number: RG14 Piece: 29763 Reference: RG14PN29763 RG78PN1722 RD547 SD2 ED13 SN62
Registration District: Auckland
Sub District: Hamsterley
Enumeration District: 13
Parish: Crook and Billy Row

Address: 17 West Terrace Billy Row Crook County: Durham

your dates posted in the above message indicate that Ada was only 16 or 17 when she married your father


Is that the age given for her on that marriage certificate?




sylvia

Hello Porky.

I am not trying to find a Birth Certificate for Ada May Powell ( My Mother )
I have tried for years. Ada May Alderson was born in Crook. Co.Durham 1910 Mother Sarah Jane Alderson formerly Branston/ Brankston. Father's name Thomas William Alderson.
Ada May married my father Alfred Thomas Powell in 1927 they separated 1939 ?? Ada Margaret Powell remarried in 1941 to Fred Barker in .Wetherby Yorkshire. aged 30.and stating that she was a Spinster.
Ada Margaret Barker remarried John Arthur Jones in Blackpool in 1952.
I have Ada Margaret Jones Death Certificate which states
1/3/2002 Ada Margaret Jones otherwise Ada May Jones Maiden name
Alderson Date and Place of Birth 17th.July 1910. Crook.Durham..
The date of birth was given, by her mother when Ada started school. in Billy Row.Crook. I have the school entry which states that no Birth Certificate was shown. informant was D.A her grandson to Barker.
Ann Barker/Jones/Ahmad died in 2004 her children just do not know anything about Fred Barker other than he was there mother's biological father.
The Ada May or Ada Margaret is my mother I have no doubts at all.

Regards
Margaret Edit Father's Name given as Thomas Alderson Deceased when Ada May Alderson married my father 1927

Due to absolutly no responce to my input or my request for further relavant factual info

I give up

Good luck


Roy

Hello Rose.

29th.December 1941- Fred Barker age 30 bachelor Sapper 2132947
Royal Engineers ( Cafe Manager ) Res'29 High Street. Wetherby
Home address given as 27a Station Road.Baildon.
Father's name Fred Barker ( deceased ) Master Dyer.
Ada Margaret Powell-30-spinster machine operator.aircraft production.
living Stanhope Hotel.Rodley.Leeds.Father's name Alfred Powell Deceased.
gardener domestic ( My father was in the police force )
Witness's Margaret Kavanagh .. G.A.March these names mean nothing. to me.

Kind regards
Margaret.

So who is your mother? you keep saying it is Ada May Powell ?but then say your father was married to your mother and the marriage cert says her father is Thomas Alderson unless she was illegitimate so that would make her name Ada May Alderson so can you confirm your mothers name as per your birth cert

her age from the marriage cert and her fathers occupation

you also keep quoting the marriage to Fred Barker as a fact but your evidance to that marriage does not add up



Roy

Hello Lancashire Ann

I don't know why my mother Ada May Powell gave my father's name when she remarried. Ada May changed her middle name to Margaret. it's all very confusing. I think she did not want to be found.
I am not convinced that the marriage to Fred Barker was legal. my father Alfred Thomas Powell died in 1950.in Bradford.Yorkshire,
Ada married Fred Barker in 1941 only one name given as Ada stated that she was a Spinster.
Ada then went on to marry John Arthur Jones in Blackpool 1952 stating
that she still was a spinster, I have Ada M Jones death certificate and it
states Ada Margaret Jones otherwise Ada May Jones died in Blackpool
1 / 3 /2002 I still can not find a Birth Certificate The date of birth is given as
17/7/2010 this date was given by her mother when she started school.

King regards
Margaret.
she

Also thinking outside the box?
to go with the possible births above for Jean W and Elaine

Marriages Sep 1937

Alderson May Barker Leeds North 9b 736
Barker Horace Alderson Leeds North 9b 736
Eyre Charles H Hallam Leeds North 9b 736
Hallam Eliza Eyre Leeds North 9b 736