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Well i'm lost for words, firstly, when the children were baptised on the same day i wonder where Violet Thornton Cartwright was as she was born 1891.
No wonder i couldn't find Kate, wouldn't have guessed she'd gone to Australia
I can't thank you enough you have all helped me with exactly what i wanted to know

Just one thing i was sure that Mary Ann married a Frederick G Lay in 1915, Lewisham

you are right it didn't come up on the initial search

Name: Mary A T Cartwright
Spouse Surname: Lay
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1915
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 310

Frederick G Lay


Name: Mary A T Lay
Birth Date: abt 1889
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1943
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 700



so many Cartwright's with the same christian names


Name: Winifred H V Lay
Mother's Maiden Surname: Cartwright
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 2303


did she name a son after her dad??

Name: Edwin J Lay
Mother's Maiden Surname: Cartwright
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1925
Registration district: Alton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 319

Name: Edwin James Lay
Birth Date: 26 Feb 1925
Date of Registration: Jul 1994
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Swindon
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Register Number: B43B
District and Subdistrict: 7961B
Entry number: 83

ame: Violet Thornton Cartwright
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1891
Registration district: St Olave
Inferred County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 242


looks like she died young
ame: Violet T Cartwright
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1914
Age at Death: 22
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1297

1901 census transcription details for: 9, Home View, Murston
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 808
Folio: 40
Page: 31
Reg. District: Milton
Sub District: Milton
Parish: Murston
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: Mutston All Saints
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 9, Home View, Murston
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GOODSELL, George Head Married M 44 1857 Cement Labourer
Tenterden, Kent
GOODSELL, Fanny Wife Married F 45 1856
Bearsted, Kent
GOODSELL, Ernest S Son Single M 18 1883 Cement Labourer
Milton, Kent
CARTWRIGHT, Violet Niece Single F 9 1892
Deptford, London>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
WEBB, Frederick Boarder Single M 21 1880 Brickfield Labourer
Thurnham, Kent
TOLHURST, Florence A Visitor Married F 25 1876
Bisling, Kent



Marriages Sep 1877

Goodsell George Maidstone 2a 923

Tolhurst Fanny Maidstone 2a 923 >>>>


so Florence is poss a sister.

maybe Violet is connected through the Tolhurst family

in service in 1911

1911 census transcription details for: Rydens Lodge Rydens Road Walton on Thames
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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN2985 RG78PN104 RD32 SD1 ED4 SN40
Reg. District: Chertsey
Sub District: Walton
Parish: Walton upon Thames
Enum. District: 4
Address: Rydens Lodge Rydens Road Walton on Thames
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
POWELL, Arthur Hardwick Head Married M 34 1877 Member Stock Exchange Jobber Stafford Stafford
POWELL, Mildred Wife Married
9 years F 40 1871 Kent Canterbury
POWELL, Norman Frith Son Single M 5 1906 Surrey Hersham
POWELL, Ronald Hardwick Son M 2 1909 Surrey Hersham

CARTWRIGHT, Violet Thornton Servant Single F 19 1892 Cook General Domestic Surrey Bermondsey>>>>>>>>

ABEL, Winifred Alice Servant Single F 16 1895 Nurse Housemaid Domestic Berkshire Beenham

I knew Violet died in 1914 i also thought she was married to Cecil Foulsham but your notes read as if she is still a Cartwright .
Violet was visiting her mothers sister Fanny Goodsell nee Tolhurst

if Violet died in 1914 it might have been tricky for her to marry Cecil Foulsham

BMD transcript details Civil registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder™: Cecil J Foulsham married Violet T Cartwright

Name: FOULSHAM, Cecil J
Registration district: Lambeth
County: London
Year of registration: 1931
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name Cartwright
Volume no: 1D
Page no: 473

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Name: CARTWRIGHT, Violet T
Registration district: Lambeth
County: London
Year of registration: 1931
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Foulsham
Volume no: 1D
Page no: 473

Oh yes i can see it now, how silly of me. Thanks for all your brilliant info.