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Oh yes i can see it now, how silly of me. Thanks for all your brilliant info.

if Violet died in 1914 it might have been tricky for her to marry Cecil Foulsham

BMD transcript details Civil registration event: Marriage

MarriageFinder™: Cecil J Foulsham married Violet T Cartwright

Name: FOULSHAM, Cecil J
Registration district: Lambeth
County: London
Year of registration: 1931
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name Cartwright
Volume no: 1D
Page no: 473

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Name: CARTWRIGHT, Violet T
Registration district: Lambeth
County: London
Year of registration: 1931
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Foulsham
Volume no: 1D
Page no: 473

I knew Violet died in 1914 i also thought she was married to Cecil Foulsham but your notes read as if she is still a Cartwright .
Violet was visiting her mothers sister Fanny Goodsell nee Tolhurst

in service in 1911

1911 census transcription details for: Rydens Lodge Rydens Road Walton on Thames
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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN2985 RG78PN104 RD32 SD1 ED4 SN40
Reg. District: Chertsey
Sub District: Walton
Parish: Walton upon Thames
Enum. District: 4
Address: Rydens Lodge Rydens Road Walton on Thames
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
POWELL, Arthur Hardwick Head Married M 34 1877 Member Stock Exchange Jobber Stafford Stafford
POWELL, Mildred Wife Married
9 years F 40 1871 Kent Canterbury
POWELL, Norman Frith Son Single M 5 1906 Surrey Hersham
POWELL, Ronald Hardwick Son M 2 1909 Surrey Hersham

CARTWRIGHT, Violet Thornton Servant Single F 19 1892 Cook General Domestic Surrey Bermondsey>>>>>>>>

ABEL, Winifred Alice Servant Single F 16 1895 Nurse Housemaid Domestic Berkshire Beenham

1901 census transcription details for: 9, Home View, Murston
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 808
Folio: 40
Page: 31
Reg. District: Milton
Sub District: Milton
Parish: Murston
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: Mutston All Saints
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 9, Home View, Murston
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GOODSELL, George Head Married M 44 1857 Cement Labourer
Tenterden, Kent
GOODSELL, Fanny Wife Married F 45 1856
Bearsted, Kent
GOODSELL, Ernest S Son Single M 18 1883 Cement Labourer
Milton, Kent
CARTWRIGHT, Violet Niece Single F 9 1892
Deptford, London>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
WEBB, Frederick Boarder Single M 21 1880 Brickfield Labourer
Thurnham, Kent
TOLHURST, Florence A Visitor Married F 25 1876
Bisling, Kent



Marriages Sep 1877

Goodsell George Maidstone 2a 923

Tolhurst Fanny Maidstone 2a 923 >>>>


so Florence is poss a sister.

maybe Violet is connected through the Tolhurst family

ame: Violet Thornton Cartwright
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1891
Registration district: St Olave
Inferred County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 242


looks like she died young
ame: Violet T Cartwright
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1914
Age at Death: 22
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1297

you are right it didn't come up on the initial search

Name: Mary A T Cartwright
Spouse Surname: Lay
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1915
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 310

Frederick G Lay


Name: Mary A T Lay
Birth Date: abt 1889
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1943
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 700



so many Cartwright's with the same christian names


Name: Winifred H V Lay
Mother's Maiden Surname: Cartwright
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 2303


did she name a son after her dad??

Name: Edwin J Lay
Mother's Maiden Surname: Cartwright
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1925
Registration district: Alton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 319

Name: Edwin James Lay
Birth Date: 26 Feb 1925
Date of Registration: Jul 1994
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Swindon
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Register Number: B43B
District and Subdistrict: 7961B
Entry number: 83

Just one thing i was sure that Mary Ann married a Frederick G Lay in 1915, Lewisham

Well i'm lost for words, firstly, when the children were baptised on the same day i wonder where Violet Thornton Cartwright was as she was born 1891.
No wonder i couldn't find Kate, wouldn't have guessed she'd gone to Australia
I can't thank you enough you have all helped me with exactly what i wanted to know

ame: Mrs Mary GENTZEN
Date of departure: 26 May 1909
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: None
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 4



Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
KRONPRINZ WILHELM
Capt Mirich
Nord-Deutscher Lloyd
New York, USA
5162
55

Horace and Kate are on a tree on ancestry, no children listed


Horace's death

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name: Horace William Baron
Death Date: 30 Aug 1921
Death Place: Queensland
Father's Name: Edward Albert Baron
Mother's name:Alice Stoneystreet
Registration Year: 1921
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration number: B035381
Page Number: 76

Name: Mary Ann T Cartwright
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1907
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 859

spouse Albert Fritz T Gentzen or William Edward Peckover

william married Elizabeth Dixon on the same reg so Mary married Albert

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
about Kate Thornton Baron

Name: Kate Thornton Baron
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1963
State: Victoria
District: higinbotham
Subdistrict: Sandringham

it says she was a nurse

Name: Kate CARTWRIGHT
Date of departure: 5 January 1912
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Brisbane, Australia
Passenger destination: Brisbane, Australia

Date of Birth: 1891 (calculated from age)
Age: 21
Marital status: Single
Sex: Female
Occupation: Domestic Servt
Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 10



Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
OSWESTRY GRANGE
114066
C S Crichton
Queensland Line
Brisbane, Australia
9363
4730
353

I wonder??


Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
about Kate Thornton Cartwright

Name: Kate Thornton Cartwright

Spouse Name: Horace William Baron
Marriage Date: 26 Sep 1914
Marriage Place: Queensland
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1914
Registration number: 001081
Page Number: 4082

possibly

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Kate Thornton Cartwright
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 14 January 1890
Baptism Date: 16 Dec 1896
Father's Name: Edwin Frederick Cartwright
Mother's name: Mary Ann Cartwright
Parish or Poor Law Union: Deptford St John
Borough: Lewisham
Register Type: Parish Registers


Name: Mary Ann Thornton Cartwright

Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 24 June 1888
Baptism Date: 16 Dec 1896
Father's Name: Edwin Frederick Cartwright
Mother's name: Mary Ann Cartwright
Parish or Poor Law Union: Deptford St John
Borough: Lewisham
Register Type: Parish Registers



Name: George William Thornton Cartwright
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 12 March 1887
Baptism Date: 16 Dec 1896
Father's Name: Edwin Frederick Cartwright
Mother's name: Mary Ann Cartwright
Parish or Poor Law Union: Deptford St John
Borough: Lewisham
Register Type: Parish Registers

seems to be!!
Name: Kate Thornton Cartwright
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1896
Baptism Date: 16 Dec 1896
Father's Name: Edwin Frederick Cartwright
Mother's name: Mary Ann Cartwright
Parish or Poor Law Union: Deptford St John
Borough: Lewisham
Register Type: Parish Registers
born 25.1.1890


might as well have the others too

ame: George William Thornton Cartwright
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1896
Baptism Date: 16 Dec 1896
Father's Name: Edwin Frederick Cartwright
Mother's name: Mary Ann Cartwright
Parish or Poor Law Union: Deptford St John
Borough: Lewisham
born 12.3.1887


Name: Mary Ann Thornton Cartwright
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1896
Baptism Date: 16 Dec 1896
Father's Name: Edwin Frederick Cartwright
Mother's name: Mary Ann Cartwright
Parish or Poor Law Union: Deptford St John
Borough: Lewisham
Register Type: Parish Registers
born 24.6.1888
so all baptised the same day
Register Type: Parish Registers


home address 22 Knotts Terrace

Edwin occ Carpenter


Strange baptised after Edwins death but it doenst say he was deceased on the record :-|

is this her birth?
Births Mar 1890
Cartwright Kate Thornton St. Olave 1d 283

maybe
MarriageFinder: Kate Cartwright married Albert E P Lukey
Name: CARTWRIGHT, Kate
Registration district: Pancras
County: London
Year of registration: 1913
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Lukey
Volume no: 1B
Page no: 116

Name: LUKEY, Albert E P
Registration district: Pancras
County: London
Year of registration: 1913
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Cartwright
Volume no: 1B
Page no: 116



not sure as her age is out a bit

Name: LUKEY, Kate
Registration district: Pancras
County: London
Year of registration: 1934
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 47
Volume no: 1B
Page no: 79

so would make her born circa 1887/6

yes you found all that i have, although i have lost Kate don't know who she married or where she went after 1911 census