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Marriage: 4 Apr 1891 St Laurence, Chorley, Lancashire, England
John Owens - 19 Carter Bachelor of 16 Dole Lane
Mary Ellen Cruise - 17 Weaver Spinster of 19 Lyons Lane
Groom's Father: Humphrey Owens, Stoker
Bride's Father: Patrick Cruise, (deceased), Stone Mason
Witness: John Leach; Margaret Alice Hitchen
Married by Banns by: J. H. Barnett Curate
Register: Marriages 1880 - 1904, Page 117, Entry 234
Source: LDS Film 1517687

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1892
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
OWENS Margaret Chorley Preston CRUISE CHO/81/68

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1893
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
OWENS Humphrey Chorley Preston CRUISE CHO/84/48

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
OWENS Winifred Chorley Preston CRUISE CHO/88/98

Baptisms: 5 Nov 1893 St Laurence, Chorley, Lancashire, England
Humphrey Owens - Child of John Owens & Mary Eleanor
Born: 5 Oct 1893
Abode: 14 Victoria Terrace
Occupation: Carder
Baptised by: J. H. Barnett
Register: Baptisms 1893 - 1900, Page 7, Entry 53
Source: LDS Film 1517687

Yes that looks like the family.
I have been trying all day to find another Owens/mather connection,but not found it.

Humphrey Owens born Wales ' 1838 and Margaret Owens @ 1838 Wales had John.
He married Mary Eleanor Cruise 1891 her parents were Patrick and Catherine Cruise both born Ireland.
1891 John Owens down as son in law at Catherine Cruise's
He is also down with parents Humprey and Margaret!!
Mary Ellen Owens died Jan 1896 Birth of Winifred Owens reg Jan 1896.
John Owens widow in 1901.in Little Bolton D12 > 8

1901 His children,
Margaret Owens
Humprey Owens
Winifred Owens adopted by Stephen Croasdale and Grace Croasdale.
Grace Croasdale nee Owens,John's sister

1911 they were at 31,Burlington Road address on Fred Mather and Margaret Owens marriage cert in 1916.

Maryb.

Thanks for all your help am working through it all but still no relationship established with Mary J Mather and Doris Owens when they both lived at 781 Atherton Road Wigan in 1947 Mary J Mather had lived there for about 40 years when her husband was Postman at sub post ofice So why did Doris go and live there when she was pregnat??? I have to keep trying to find the answer Thanks Pam

Hi Pam,just going through the webber/Owens family.

They are a complicated bunch.
Alice Webber 1895 mum Jane Webber or mary jane webber.
1911 9,Ratcliffe Street Aspull
William Prescott 1848 Aspull
Jane prescott (wife) born Wales 1857/8 says married 33 years but i can't find marriage.
1901 same address but Jane is Webber and all her children named Webber??
1911 3,Ratcliffe Street.
Thomas Owens 1892
Ellen mum 1870 a widow.
1901 3,Ratcliffe Street
James Owens 1869 County mayo ireland
Ellen 1870 Aspull.

Marriage ? James Owens to EllenHartney.


Still doesn't answer your question though,but its keeping me occupied.

Maryb.

The Webber family is the one i originally started out with but ruled it out because Doris Owens was their child born in 1930 and because i had the electoral register checked for 1947 at 781 Atherton Road Hindley Wigan and Doris Owens is on it It cant be her because she would only have been 17 and not old enough to be on it I also checked the 1946 and 1948 for the same address and only Mary J Mather is there in those years so she only lived with her for the year of pregnancy. I am pinning my hopes on it being Doris Owens born 11 th February 1925 in Gatley stockport Cheshire The Daughter of Clifford Gladstone Owens and Doris Measures Doris Measures died 3 days after the child was born At the time of birth they were living at Ivy Cottage HospitalLane Stockport I have also just found out that Clifford Gladstone Owens re-married 2 years after his first wife died to Evaline Chester (Fathers name Henry Chester ) a Plumber Another interesting thing camet To light on the second marriage certificate with Cliffords address given as 31 Frances St Cheadle and Evaline Chester address given as Ivy Cottage Hospital Lane So who was 2 year old Doris with then? The other "clue" i am looking at is the marriage of this Doris owens to David Selwyn Birch in 1951 where her occupation is given as Health Visitor a close match to the Student Nurse occupation on Doris owens at 781 Atherton Road Wigan in 1947 when she had a child Did she give up the Student Nurse and later followedthe path to Health Visitor? Oh I wish i could solve this Keep up the good work Thanks and Thanks again Pam

Pamela, just to say that she would have had to be a registered nurse in order to train as a health visitor, so that sounds really promising. There can't have been too many RN's called Doris Owens in the area surely!
Jan

Not sure how this measures up. EDIT sorry, you have mentioned this above, but will leave to clarify.

Interesting name for spouse?

Marriages Dec 1923
Measures Doris Owens Stockport 8a 207
Owens Clifford G Measures Stockport 8a 207

Births Mar 1925 (>99%)
Owens Doris Measures Stockport 8a 156

Jan

You mentioned Valerie's husband doing his Seddon tree,well William Prescott married or not married to Jane mother of Alice Webber 1895 who married Thomas Owens,he was with Thomas Seddon born @ 1810.his Uncle in 1871 census.


Do I take now we are not looking for Doris Owens mmn Webber.

Maryb.

it could turn out that both sets of families are eventually related, but as previously mentioned Doris Owens mmn Measures is to young to be on the electoral register in 1947 with Mary J Mather also i have the mariage certificate of Doris to Thomas Swann in 1951 and she is a spinner in a cotton mill living at 45 wigan road aspull Nothing like Nursing The work continues Thanks again Pam

1911 Ivy Cottage 4,Hospital Lane.
James Clayton 87 Gatley Cheshire
Mary Clayton 78 Coventry

These are the grandparents of Evaline Chester born 1895.
IE Henry Chester married fanny Clayton she died 1902 and he then married Lizzie Byrne in 1905 in Toxteth.

Maryb.

thanks for all your help still working at it. Pam

Doris Owens mmn Measures would have been 21 in 1946 if she was born 1925 so would have qualified to vote in 1947

I can't remember if you have said, but have you tracked that 1947 address back, as far as possible - I know the war years are unavailable? Just wondering if previous occupants hold any clues. Remember Doris might have been there before but not quite old enough to vote.
The 1925 Doris would fit nicely as she had to qualify as a nurse before she could become a health visitor. A large number of nurses back then would have done a 1-year post-registration course to qualify as a midwife, and if planning a health visiting career this would have been pretty much essential.
Jan

Hi again sorry for confusion over Doris Owens MMN Measures meant to say MMN Webber is not right one cos Doris Owens born 1930 But the Doris Owens MMN Measures is the one I am holding out as to being the right one I have tracked the 781 Atherton Road address and Mary J Mather lived there for 40 + years with her husband Walter Mather as he was a Postman and this address was a sub post office Walter Mather died in 1945 The electoral register for 1946 has Mary J Mather living there on her own and again on her own in 1948 It is only in 1947 that Doris Owens appears and I wouldnt have thought she wouild live with acomplete stranger ? Doris Owens Daughter of Clifford Gladstone Owens and the one I hope is right one was living back with him in 1948 I beleive the family of Mary J Mather hold the answer I need Thanks for all your hard work and sorry for confusing Measures and Webber Pam

I'm confused now! I took it to mean that Doris Owens (Daughter of Clifford) born 1925 married Selwyn Birch, and her occupation was a health visitor when she married? Or is that wrong?
I wasn't considering Doris MMN Webber at all.
Jan

Yes that is right. My earlier posts refer to Doris Owens (MMN Webber ) and i ruled her out because born 1930 as some other researches thought she would be the right one

To confirm Doris Owens Daughter of Clifford Gladstone Owens was born on 11th Feb 1925 and her mum Doris Measures died 3 days after she was born on 14th Feb Clifford re-maried in 1927 to Evaline Chester Doris married David Selwyn Birch in 1951 and was a Health Visitor on the marriage certificate which fits nicely with student nurse in 1947 I beleive this is the right one but need more proof for my search Thanks again Pam
Thank you for your patience and time and sorry for confusion

Hi Pam,can you pm your email address,I'am having difficulty in replying to your message.

Maryb.