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sorry that should have read Death Mary J Mather 1958 Wigan Pam

i know everthing about Mary J Mather and she died in 1985 in Wigan the one you mention above her probnate is on Ancerstry Her son Sydney Walter Mather inherited the money she left He married Minnie Corner in Bolton in 1934 and they had a child called Valerie and this Valerie is the Grandaughter of Mary J Mather She is the one person that may be able to answer the connection between Doris Owens Valeries husband is on Ancestry as tracing his tree Seddon but he has not ben on line for quite some time I am looking at electoral register in Wigan now to find them Many Thanks Pam

I know you had another thread related to this (not the same!) but did this crop up as a possibility? Might help if you had Mary's identity, assuming it is the same person - I know it's a big assumption!.

Deaths Mar 1958 (>99%)
MATHER Mary J 85 Wigan 10f 924

Jan

Well, the Owens aren't at that address 1911.

Unfortunately not an Owens!!

Marriages Mar 1916
Mather Elizabeth Stringfellow Chorley 8e 903
Stringfellow Edward Mather Chorley 8e 903

Jan

Fred Mather address on marriage certificate is 28 Station Road Coppull Lancashire Margaret Owens address is 31 Burlington St Chorley

Witnesses are Ernest Joseph Bowes and Elizabeth Stringfellow


Thanks for all replies Pam

I think this is 'Lena':

Births Dec 1894 (>99%)
Mather Helena Chorley 8e 526

There is a tree with this family on Ancestry, but it's private so I can't have a nose around!

Jan

Might be her - possible her father was a soldier just because of WW1? But her age is totally wrong.

1911 England Census

Name: Margaret Owens
Age in 1911: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Westhoughton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 369 Chorley Road Westhoughton
Occupation: Weaver Cotton Mill
Registration district: Bolton
Registration District Number: 461
Sub-registration district: Horwich

John Owens 48 Birth Place: Ransbottom, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Coal Miner Hewer
Susannah Owens 38
Harry Owens 18
Margaret Owens 16
Thomas Owens 10

1911 England Census

Name: William J Mather
Age in 1911: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Horwich, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Coppull
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Spendmore Lane Coppull
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Labour
Registration district: Chorley
Registration District Number: 475
Sub-registration district: Chorley

William J Mather 58
Margaret Mather 57
Jane Mather 30
Elizabeth Mather 28
Ann Mather 25
Susannah Mather 21
Fred Mather 19 Birth Place: Coppull, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Back Tenter Bleach Work's
Lena Mather 16
Jessie Mather 13

Possible??

Marriages Jun 1874 (>99%)
Holden John Chorley 8e 704
Holmes Margaret Chorley 8e 704
Makinson Isabella Chorley 8e 704
Mather William James Chorley 8e 704

Do you have address and witnesses' names please?
Jan

Continuing my search I now have the Marriage Certificate for Fred Mather to Margaret Owens.

Date of Marriage Noember 11th in Chorley 1916

Fred Mather s Father was William James Mather occupation Miner

Margaret Owens Father was John Owens A Soldier

Fred Mather occupation was at the Bleach Works and his age on marriage certificate is 25

Margaret Owens was a weaver in cotton mills age 24

I am looking for a relationship between Mary J Mather and Doris Owens and hope one of my searches will lead me to this (previous messages about 781 Atherton Road Hindley when Doris was living with Mary during her pregnancy in 1947 It would seem strange for a young pregnant lady to be living with a lady in her seventies if she wasnt related and she only lived with her for the duration of the pregnancy as she is not with her on the following year electoral register .or the previous year 1946 My thoughts are was she a great aunt or similar . I have tried endless searches of lots of families but still cant link them The ultimate aim is to find date of birth for Doris Owens
I decided to look at Fred Mather and Margaret Owens as it proves the 2 families are linked ? Any more help with this would be so gratefully received Pam

Thanks for suggestions I will wait for Marriage certificate to proceed Pam

Name: MATHER, Margaret
Registration district: Chorley
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1973
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Date of Birth:30 December 1892
Volume no: 10C Page no: 73

i am trying to link the owens family with the mather family in Lancashire and this is a marriage on BMD I will be ordering the certificate thanks pam

Problem is that there are loads of possibles on 1901 and 1911 census

How would we know which one without some idea of his age, occupation and name of father etc

?

Name: Fred Mather
Birth: 5 Nov 1891
Death: Mar 1973 - Chorley, Lancashire, England

Any info ?

What do you know to have arrived at those names ?

Do you have the marriage cert for the ages etc

seeking any information on Fred Mather that married Margaret Owens in 1916 in Chorley Thanks Pam