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I think there's only one province (BC) that has a death index for 1976, and he's not there:
http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-32116FB/gbsearch/Births,Marriages,Deaths

Most provinces have a 50y closure on deaths, but not Ontario
Ontario is just across the Niagara R from Buffalo, and was always the most likely province he'ld go to.
Ontario has no closure period on deaths, but there's no index published for 70y.
However, with a fairly definite d.o.d., you should only need just one search, so getting his d.cert would be feasible.
If, as you suspect, it was rego'ed by his daur, it would likely show her marr surname. Closure for Bs & Ms is 97/82 y in Ont.
Check out: https://www.orgforms.gov.on.ca/eForms/start.do?lang=en

Incidentally, CPR will not release personal records of employees.

Thank you, I'll take a look. Didn't know about those sites.
Dee

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Harry E Bird
Arrival Date: 3 May 1955
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: British (English)
Place of Origin: Britain
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Queen Elizabeth


Address: 289 Reed Street, Buffalo, New York


No other info worth posting but it looks like your Harry

Dee


This is a tree at Ancestry

Rose Vivian Bird
Bird Family Tree
Birth: 20/6/1925 (20 Jun 1925) - Yorkshire
Death: 27/11/2004 (27 Nov 2004) - California, USA
Parents: Harry Edward Bird



Social Security Death Index
Name: Rose V. Franczak
Last Residence: 90732 San Pedro, Los Angeles, California, United States of America
Born: 20 Jun 1925
Died: 27 Nov 2004
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (1954-1955)

Her marriage is on freebmd



U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
Name: Rose Vivian Franczak
Birth Date: 20 Jun 1925
Age at event: 36
Court District: California
Date of Action: 1 Dec 1961
Address: 1973 Trudie Drive, San Pedro, Calif

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Rose V Franczak
Arrival Date: 20 Apr 1954
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: British (English)
Place of Origin: Britain
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Queen Elizabeth

With husband and children, going to: 982 Walden Av, Buffalo NY

U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 (Beta)
Name: Rose V Franczak
Gender: F (Female)
Residence Year: 1956
Street Address: 289 Reed <<<Same address for Harry above
Residence Place: Buffalo, New York
Spouse: Alex Franczak

Publication Title: Buffalo, New York, City Directory, 1956



And this looks like her husbands death


Social Security Death Index
Name: Aleksander Stanley Franczak
Last Residence: 90275 Rancho Palos Verdes, Los Angeles, California, United States of America
Born: 22 Jan 1917
Died: 13 Oct 2007
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (1954-1955)


U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 2
Name: Aleksander Franczak
Birth Date: 22 Jan 1917
Address: 1973 Trudie Dr, Rancho Palos Verdes, CA, 90275-2037

Gins you are a geneous. Rose Vivien is his daughter, I wonder why she hasn't come up as a tree match on my ancestry tree?
I'm at work at the moment, but will look more closely tonight. Thank you.

The son of Rose is listed on white pages


http://www.whitepages.com/person


You can find his name and his sibling on freebmd



Looks like his sister is on white pages too, when you search for her, leave off the first two letters of her given name....

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ivy Rosamond Dunwell
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1906
Registration district: Beverley
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 99

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
Name: Ivy Dunwell
Spouse Surname: Bird
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1923
Registration district: Beverley
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 223

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Ivy Rosamond Bird
Birth Date: 13 Feb 1906
Date of Registration: Apr 1988
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Volume: 7
Page: 667



Looks like his wife, maybe she just didnt use her middle name at the time of her marriage. There are no other marriages showing for Ivy Dunwell to a Bird so it has to be her

Well done,Gins!!!!!

Moxx

Aww....thanks little Mo


There seems to be obits for the Franczak couple but I cant seem to access it!


Can you have a go Mo

Ta x

This looks like Rose and family returning to USA after a trip to England? Their address is 982 Walden Ave., Buffalo, NY. Family consists of Alexander, Rose V., Richard A. and Janina.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Rose V Franczak Name: Rose V Franczak
Arrival Date: 20 Apr 1954
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: British (English)
Place of Origin: Britain
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Queen Elizabeth
Search Ship Database: Search the Queen Elizabeth in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Rose's naturalization:

U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
about Rose Vivian Franczak Name: Rose Vivian Franczak
Birth Date: 20 Jun 1925
Age at event: 36
Court District: California
Date of Action: 1 Dec 1961

Address was 1973 Trudie Drive, San Pedro, California.

Also this one in New York:

U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
about Rose Vivian Franczak Name: Rose Vivian Franczak
Court District: New York
Date of Action: 14 Jul 1961

Daughter Janina's birth:

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Janina M Franczak Name: Janina M Franczak
Mother's Maiden Surname: Bird
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1950
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 206 (click to see others on page)

Hi Gins
thanks for the Ivy Dunwell stuff. I had got it but it is always useful, I guess to have it on th thread.

I have been looking at my tree and notice that Harry's youngest daughter was only 10 when he decided to leave for New York. Rose was 30ish - a nurse - I'm sure my mum said that she was nursing harry before he passed away.

From what I can gather two of the older girls went to NY/Canada and the younger children stayed with their mum which I think is why there was a rift between the children in the family.

The orbits would be nice to have, it may mention other family members.

Where are you getting this info from? I can't find it.

The home at 1973 Trudie Drive on the market here. Take a look at the names of the buyers and sellers:

http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/property/7557003026/1973_trudie/

Dee

The info is from Ancestry World Wide


Do you know who the eldest daughter (Dorothy) married?


Margee, have you lorst your specs ;-)

Lorst my specs? Why, Gins? Have I done summat stupid again?

Not stupid, just funny!


Youve posted the infor that was posted earlier :-)

Margee

How on earth did you find that?!

Well I had Richard A and Janina M and that gives me their full names. I didn't have a Peter Edward. He wasn't on the passenger list so perhaps born over their.

Interesting that Nina (Janina) is trustee and that they are all buying it in 2008??? Aleksander died in 2007 (according to the info given me on this thread) so it must have been after probate in 2008 - I would think.

What an interesting find. I wonder who the patricia Ann Bart is? do you think that it is another child and Bart is her married name? therefore having an equal share in the property?