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Hi Linda

On the 1911 census Annie Lilian and Charles Frederick Smitten had been married 20 years and had not had any children.

Do you think your mother was "adopted" by them? maybe that's why there's not a birth cert under the name of Smitten

Do you have her marriage certificate? does that give any clues?

I can't find anything on her birth either and I'm her daughter. I think my mother tried to get a copy of her birth certificate when she got a passport but the records office couldn't find it. I'm not sure what she used to get her passport but she did have one although I believe they have all been thrown away.

Death???

Name: Dorothy Beatrice Hall
Birth Date: 12 Jan 1912
Date of Registration: Dec 1996
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Sutton
Inferred County: Surrey
Register Number: B8B
District and Subdistrict: 2541B
Entry number: 21

But can't find a birth to match

The Dorothy Beatrice Hall (Smitten) referred to above is my mother. Not to be confused with the Smitten, Dorothy born in W. Ham in 1911. That person was the daughter of Albert George Smitten - her name was Dorothy Bessie Smitten (married name Fox )as indicated by one of the posts. There does not appear to be a birth certificate for my mother.

possibility re Dorothy B Smitten on 1911 census

Person: SMITTEN, Dorothy Bessie
Address: 104 Bloxhall Road Leyton

SMITTEN, Albert George Head Married M 32 1879 Porter London Islington
SMITTEN, Florence Wife Married4 years F 27 1884 Somerset Sth Petherton
SMITTEN, Florence Marjorie Daughter F 3 1908 London Hornsey
SMITTEN, William Albert Son M 1 1910 London Hornsey
SMITTEN, Dorothy Bessie Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 London Leyton

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Alfred Henry Hall
Probate Date: 14 Aug 1954
Death Date: 20 Jun 1954
Death Place: London, England
Registry: London, England

Probate to: Dorothy Beatrice Hall (Widow)


So Dorothy was the daughter of Charles and Annie


England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
Name: Dorothy B Smitten
Spouse Surname: Alfred H Hall
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1939
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 3819

They didnt marry until after the death of her father but she is listed as 'Hall' on the probate record


Hmmm..........on the 1911 census it says 'none' under the children born? So who is this then!


Births Mar 1911
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Smitten Dorothy B W. Ham 4a 386

Probate to: Dorothy Beatrice Hall (wife of Alfred Henry Hall)


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Annie Lilian Smitten
Probate Date: 9 Feb 1953
Death Date: 19 Jan 1953
Death Place: London, England
Registry: London, England

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Charles Frederick Smitten
Probate Date: 7 May 1938
Death Date: 18 Oct 1937
Death Place: London, England
Registry: London, England


Do you know who the 'Hall' connection is please?

Just been looking at the Richardson/Smitten/Mickle families and I dont think anyone knew where they were born!

I wonder if Annie Lil* Richardson took her stepfathers name....if she had a stepfather

Theres some strange trees at Ancestry on this family, I do wonder where they get their info from sometimes :-S

This appears to be the Annie born in Bedfordshire:

1871 England Census
about Annie Lilly Richardson
Name: Annie Lilly Richardson
Age: 8 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel Richardson
Mother's Name: Elizth Charlotte Richardson
Gender: Female
Where born: Goldington, Bedfordshire, England
Civil parish: Goldington
Town: Goldington
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Bedford
Sub-registration district: Bedford and Cardington
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 130
Piece: 1545
Folio: 97
Page Number: 24

Births Sep 1870
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RICHARDSON Annie Lily Bedford 3b 311



Have you checked out this birth certificate?

I have looked previosly at this person but the Annie (father Henry Proctor Richardson) is not my Annie because my Annie appears in the 1891 census as married and Annie the daughter of Henry Proctor Richardson appears in the 1891 census as single. I also have a copy of her marriage certificate.

Thank you all for your help but am still searching.

Linda

Trees on Ancestry say this is her?

1881 England Census
about Annie Richardson
Name: Annie Richardson
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry P. Richardson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Richardson
Gender: Female
Where born: Weston Longville, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Weston Longville
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address: Weston Hall Cottages
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: St Faith'S
Sub-registration district: St Faith'S
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1932
Folio: 69
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Henry P. Richardson 56
Elizabeth Richardson 52
Agnes Richardson 20
Sydney Richardson 18
Annie Richardson 10

she says ditto to her husbands birthplace on 1911 census

Address: 28 Wandle Road Wimbledon

SMITTEN, Charles Frederick Head M 42 1869 Green Grocer England Islington Middlesex
SMITTEN, Lilian Wife F 42 1869 England Islington Middlesex

Father Henry Richardson shown as mechanic on marriage cert

Annie Lilian Richardson 1869-1953 in the 1891 and 1901 census indicates she was born in Hereford, Herefordshire. She married Charles Frederick Smitten on March 29, 1891 in the Parish of Islington, Middlesex. Her marriage certificate shows father as Henry and is witnessed by Elizabeth Richardson (possibly mother) and Charles Fuller. Am looking for any trace of her prior to her marriage.