Find Ancestors

Thanks for the update Sarah.

An update for those of you who kindly helped me with this one.
I have had it confirmed by another member of Genes, that Rachel was indeed married to Richard first, when he then died in 1838 she went onto to live with Richard's younger brother George and they then went onto have a family together. Details confirmed from one of their children's birth certificate where Rachel states her maiden name and Ockwell and then Hambidge widow etc.
So case seems to be resolved.
Many thanks to all those who kindly helped me, much appreciated. :-)

does indeed seem a likely match, also ages tie in.
Sarah

Richard dying aged 35 in 1838 is good match for Richard baptised 1803 son of John and Ann, seems likely to be the same chap.

Yes that could be a possibility. Also if this is Richard's death in 1838 this woud tie in well with the 1841 census, where Rachel is living with her four children Maria 11, Isaiag? 6, Sarah 3 and James 6 months - possibly after this she started a relationship with George or even around the time Sarah was born so possibly her first two children were with Richard and then all of the others with George?
Many thanks, Sarah

Richard's death?:


Forename: Richard
Surname: Hambidge
Day Buried: 3
Month Buried: Jun
Year Buried: 1838
Church Name: St Michael
Place Name: Eaton Hastings
County: Berkshire
Occupation:
Age: 35
Address: Eaton Hastings
Address County:

Which makes baby James aged 6 months in census 1841 VERY posthumous...

Richard Hambidge may have married both Rachels, Newman in 1825, and Ockwell in 1829, as posted earlier, if this is the death of Rachel nee Newman.


Title:
Forename:Rachel
Surname:Hambidge
Day Buried:10
Month Buried:Jun
Year Buried:1826
Church Name:St Michael
Place Name:Eaton Hastings
County:Berkshire
Occupation:
Age:21
Address:Eaton Hastings
Address County:
Status:

seems a good match to me :)

However, just to muddy the waters, Richard appears to have married a Rachel NEWMAN.


Groom's Name: Richard Hambidge
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Rachel Newman
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 11 Sep 1825
Marriage Place: Eaton Hastings,Berkshire,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01979-3
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1041788
Reference Number:

EDIT: Or there is the marriage Maureen mentioned earlier:

Groom's Name: Richard Hambay
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Rachel Ockwell
Bride's Birth Date: 1809
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 20
Marriage Date: 17 Apr 1829
Marriage Place: Berkshire, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name: Mary Ockwell
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I06908-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1239472
Reference Number:

Brothers?

Name: Richard Hambidge
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 17 Apr 1803
Baptism/Christening Place: EATON HASTINGS,BERKSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Hambidge
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01979-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 88252
Reference Number:


Name: George Hambidge
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 06 Aug 1809
Baptism/Christening Place: EATON HASTINGS,BERKSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Hambidge
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01979-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 88252
Reference Number:

William was living at home with George and (mother) Ann in the 1841 census posted earlier.

Name: William Hambidge
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 02 Feb 1806
Baptism/Christening Place: EATON HASTINGS,BERKSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Hambidge
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01979-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 88252
Reference Number:

Oh Wow - big thankyous

From the 1841 census I can't see George had a brother called, Richard, who was living at home anyway. Need to see if I can find Richard on the 1841 census report and then also if there is a marriage between Rachel Ockwell and Richard. Also if there is a death record for Richard.

So much help, very grateful to all

Name: Rachel Ockwell
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 11 Nov 1810
Baptism/Christening Place: MARLBOROUGH ST IND CHAPEL-NC,FARINGDON,BERKSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1810
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Ockwell
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03577-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 583987
Reference Number:

If Rachel were married to George's brother, it would have been illegal at that time for her to marry her deceased husband's brother, which could account for the lack of a marriage between Rachel and George.

Such marriages, although they often took place, were illegal before the passing of the Deceased Brother’s Widow’s Marriage Act, 1921.

Name: Maria Hambridge
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 15 Jan 1830
Baptism/Christening Place: Berkshire, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Richard Hambridge
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Rachel
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00224-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1279457
Reference Number: p157 CN1253

I think you were correct in thinking that Rachel was married to George's brother,became a widow and went on to have children with George. Not an uncommon scenario.

Maureen

Yep, sorry just seen that now. Thanks for all your help.
Maybe George and Rachael were actually related and their children , joint or otherwise all ended up living together. Strange
Sarah

Didn't Shirley post the 1841 for George??

Maureen

Thanks for that, getting more confused by the min.
Does it mention the father George Hambidge on the 1841 census anyway?
He was born 1810
Many thanks

Confusing. This seems to suggest her maiden name was Ockwell:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ruffle/Individual-List/ListIndividualsH.htm

On Family Search it does look as though she married a Richard Hambidge (variant spellings).

1841 England Census about Maria Hambidge
Name: Maria Hambidge
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Female
Where born: Berkshire, England
Civil parish: Great Faringdon
Hundred: Faringdon
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Faringdon
Sub-registration district: Faringdon
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 18
Book: 3
Folio: 4
Page Number: 2

Rachel Hambidge 30
Maria Hambidge 11
Isaiah Hambidge 6
Sarah Hambidge 3
James Hambidge 6 Mo

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 18; Book: 3; Civil Parish: Great Faringdon; County: Berkshire; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: 4; Page: 2; Line: 2; GSU roll: 241200.

Maureen

Sorry just thinking, is anyone able to provide me with details of the 1841 census, I can see just by searching the Son James 1841 that he is 0 on the 1841 census, would like to show what it acually states on there
Many thanks, Sarah