Find Ancestors

up date
Thanks to every one who has helped I have found the marriage of William and Mary Ann Taylor in the church records in Sunderland 1835 his father, occupation and address all match

Hi all Williams father James b-scot-1788 must be at sea in 1841-51 his mother mary b-whitby-1795 is in sunderland spring garden lane in 1851 ( but it states Gardeners wife and not mariners wife ?) Both husband and wife are together in 1861 & 1871 in sunderland Trafalgar square

Morning Mary.

We can't be sure about his parents.

Susannah Potts nee Drummond remarried in 1876 after the death of John Potts in 1874.He was a Steamboat Master left under £1000 to Susannah.
She married John Walker Greenfield he died 1882.
1901 she is in Kent with daughter Mary Hannah born @ 1865.
William J Potts son of Susannah married Rebecca Hepple.


Anyone found the parents of William Drummond in 1841/51?

Maryb.

1911 England Census
about Emma Burnley
Name: Emma Burnley
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil parish: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 106 Ward St Hendon Sunderland
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Sunderland
Registration District Number: 555
Sub-registration district: Sunderland East
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 30190
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Burnley 40
Emma D Burnley 15
Joseph Harlod Burnley 14
Annie Burnley 7
Edith L Burnley 1 1/12


Married 19 years had 7 children 3 died

Retiring now so will look in in the morning.

Mel

Thaks for the pm Stuart.

from the previous posts from mel fairy godmother it appears that my William married Mary Ann Taylor before 1836
As address's link family members living close by
Thanks for your imput mgnv

Using http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Marriages Jun 1842 (>99%)
COE John Durham 24 83
DRUMMOND Mary Durham &c 24 83
DRUMMOND William Durham &c 24 83 [image reads 88 - correct'n subm'd]
EMMERSON Ralph Durham &c 24 83
FENWICK Rosannah Durham &c 24 83
HARLE Edward Mary Durham &c 24 83
MITCHESON Thomas John Durham 24 83
--------------
CAIRD Elizabeth Durham &c 24 88
DAVISON Mary Durham 24 88
ELLIS John Durham &c 24 88
HUNTER Anne Durham &c 24 88
ROBSHAW Hannah Durham &c 24 88
THOMPSON Anthony Durham &c 24 88
WARD John Durham 24 88


Marriages Mar 1846 (>99%)
Crane William Sth Shields 24 143
Drummond William S Shields 24 143
Drysdale Mary S Shields 24 143
Robinson Jane S Shields 24 143
Robinson Jane S. Shields 24 143
Robson Joseph Brydon S. Shields 24 143
Rowlands Susanna Sth Shields 24 143
Simpson William S. Shields 24 143
Warden Sarah S Shields 24 143

Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%)
Drummond William Sth Shields 24 221
HUTCHINSON Jane S Shields 24 221
JACKSON Richard S. Shields 24 221
Lumsdon Barbara S Shields 24 221
Morland Elizabeth S. Shields 24 221
Pattison Thomas S Shields 24 221
Reed Joice Sth Shields 24 221
Robertson Thomas Burn S Shields 24 221


Using http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/


Surname Forename(s) Year District
DRUMMOND William 1842 Durham Central
DAVISON Mary 1842 Durham Central
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DCCE27/1 - 237 - Durham Central (1842)

The ref is gotten from the postal application form.
My guess DCCE27=St.Laurence Pittington (formerly St. Lawrence)


William DRUMMOND
Spouse: Mary DRYSDALE
Register: C F4 Entry: 147
Date: 17/01/1846


William DRUMMOND
Spouse: Barbara LUMSDON
Register: C G1 Entry: 96
Date: 19/05/1850

Using the marr index help page:
http://www.southtyneside.info/article/10778/Marriage-indexes

South Shields
Church of England Computer Reference
St Hilda C F
Holy Trinity C G

More generally, there are several online indexes from local registery offices:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
It's always worth checking both the GRO & the local as they don't extract the same info for their indexes. The local indexes might use the local page # or the original entry # in their ref. They usually use the entry # for marrs, so one knows who wed whom. (Even when they use page #, the pages don't always align, so there can be difft couples appearing on the GRO page and the local page.) The local registers always contain 500 entries at 5 per page for Bs & Ds, and 2 per page for Ms. A local marr ref will identify the register - effectively the church (or registrar) plus a sequence #, although this might be coded in some way they don't tell you. A B/D ref will identify the register, in this case a subdistrict plus a sequence #. They may not tell you their coding, but you can often guess e.g.,

Register No. - Entry No. - District
SN+1 - 335 - Durham Western (1838)
so the obvious guess is Durham (St Nicholas).

William died in Bodelwell lane same address as last census

Yes it has been transcribed as John Brown Head but the house schedule is a different number.

Someone has taken and put it on their tree. see how easy it is to make a mistake.

Got your pm I never looked on f/s because i never knew of the 1st marriage but i have just looked unfortunately theres no Susannahs birth to rule out the John Brown father bit in the tree i was looking at. I hope that is a misread mistake from the 51 census as you say there is a line seperating the 2 families

Not at all . I found the marriage in Australia on Familyserch .org which is free to use. They have changed it lately and I get a bit muddled with it. You used to be able to put in a name for the husband and wife's names and then find a child born to them and then find all the other children they had but you can't do that at the moment. They did say they would bring that search back later on. It is the Later Day Saints Site.

I have pm'd you.

yes i believe that is probable
I have just been looking on a tree on mundia and it states susannah drummonds father is the john brown, probably from the1851 census do you think that is a mixup from an unclear census as i can not check the transcript unless i visit library, do you have access to pre 1837 marriages
hope you dont think i am being too pushy

So the Mary Ann Drummond who died in 1842 could be the death of Willilam and Mary's daughter.

Sorry for delay been to daughters for tea
Well you have been busy and very helpful M/F/G
Sring garden lane is also where Williams mother is living with her grandson Joseph who is the son of my ancester James ,Williams brother. So that looks very promising. The births of james in 1836 looks correct as he died 1841 and a Mary Ann also died young in 1842 With the mother being Mary Ann Taylor i now believe that is the marriage i am looking for, obviously 1836 or earlier and not the Mary Davison marriage
It also appears that Susannah's so Thomas Henry Potts moved to Australia
Thankyou so much you have been very very helpful

This is interesting............


spouse: John Potts
child: Thomas Henry Potts

groom's name: Thomas Henry Potts
groom's birth date: 1867
groom's birthplace: England
groom's age: 26
bride's name: Agnes King
bride's birth date: 1872
bride's birthplace: Sydney, N.S.W.
bride's age: 21
marriage date: 16 Dec 1893
marriage place: Mariner'S Church, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
groom's father's name: John Potts
groom's mother's name: Susannah Drummond
bride's father's name: Edwin King
bride's mother's name: Charlotte Dobell
groom's marital status: Single
bride's marital status: Single
indexing project (batch) number: M00388-8
system origin: Australia
source film number: 993781

Just to throw a spanner in the works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



spouse: William Drummond
child: James Drummond

name: James Drummond
gender: Male
birth date: 18 Oct 1836
birthplace: SUNDERLAND,DURHAM,ENGLAND
father's name: William Drummond **********************
mother's name: Mary Ann Taylor **************************
indexing project (batch) number: P00280-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 91114, 91115, 91116

AND

spouse: William Drummond
child: Mary Ann Drummond

name: Mary Ann Drummond
gender: Female
birth date: 02 Feb 1841
birthplace: SUNDERLAND,DURHAM,ENGLAND
father's name: William Drummond **********************
mother's name: Mary Ann Taylor *************************
indexing project (batch) number: P00280-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 91114, 91115, 91116

1841 for Mary and Susannah address is Laurence Street.

1851 England Census
about Susannah Drummond
Name: Susannah Drummond
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Brown
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Drummond
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil parish: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: SPRING GARDEN LANE



Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: West Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 205
Piece: 2397
Folio: 362
Page Number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
John Brown 41 NOT THE SAME HOUSEHOLD. THERE IS A LINE AFTER JOHN BROWN. aLSO HE IS UNMARRIED.


Mary Ann Drummond 34 SEAMANS WIFE MARRIED
Susannah Drummond 12

re-post
Is there a street address on the 41& 51 census to make a link
As i did not know of Williams 1st marriage i have not yet traced for children
I do know he had 1 child with 2nd wife Emma in 1870s
Elizabeth could be williams younger sister who was born 1831 as the 41 census does not state relationships
This would also mean the 1842 marriage may be wrong and William married earlier?