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thanks Janice,

PS You need to untick that box as it is showing the whole thread as answered.

Sorry, been away from computer.

Bipper - his name is with hers at bottom of page 1!

Robert W Arthur

ie Arthur is his surname.

Not completely convinced though yet as there is a Robert W Arthur death in Bristol which says born 1890 so he'd be 13 years younger than her.

if their anything like mine they liked to keep to the same old names over and over and over again

anyway this looks like Cissie's marriage (Florence's daughter)


MarriageFinder™: Cissie D Hillman married Harold Hicks

Name: HILLMAN, Cissie D
Registration district: Keynsham
County: Somerset
Year of registration: 1931
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name Hicks
Volume no: 5C
Page no: 904

HILMAN, Isaac Head Married M 34 1867 Coal Miner Hewer Blaina, Monmouthshire
HILMAN, Florence Wife Married F 26 1875 Malmesbury, Gloucestershire
HILMAN, Elsie Daughter F 1 1900 Ystrad, Glamorganshire
HILMAN, Ann Mother Widow F 63 1838 Cadbury, Gloucestershire

sorry got a litlle confused. ann was Florence's mother in law. ann was also the name of her mother. Edwin and Ann were still ALIVE in 1911. The range of different names was not very wide was it?

sorry Bipper, why do you think Edward/ Edwin died?

is this not him on the 1901 and 1911 census below?


1901 census

Address: Private House, North Common, Bitton (Gloucs)

SAUNDERS, Edwin F Head Married M 51 1850 Pit Timber Man Crudwell, Wiltshire
SAUNDERS, Ann Wife Married F 56 1845 Malmesbury, Wiltshire
SAUNDERS, Adelaide Victoria Daughter F 16 1885 Boot Machinist North Common, Gloucestershire


1911 census

Address: Caddicks Row Blaina Mon

SAUNDERS, Edward Head Married M 63 1848 Ostler Above Ground Cradwell Wilts
SAUNDERS, Ann Wife Married 42 years F 66 1845 Malsmbry Wilts

11 children to marriage, 6 alive at time of census, 5 had died

It looks good to me Tempest. Getting a much clearer picture now. so Florence married in South Wales. The older sister Martha married in Bristol/Keynsham. I can check these two out- thank you for you help.

these are just possibles,

you would need to order BMD certs from the GRO to check names etc to be certain we have the right people

going back to Florence's children

Birth transcript details Civil registration event: Birth

Name: HILLMAN, Cissie Doris
Registration district: Bedwellty
County: Monmouthshire
Year of registration: 1905
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 97


Name: HILLMAN, Elsie Elizabeth
Registration district: Pontypridd
County: Glamorganshire
Year of registration: 1900
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 655


Name: HILLMAN, Clifford Edwin
Registration district: Bedwellty
County: Monmouthshire
Year of registration: 1909
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no: 11A
Page no:72


2 possibles for Reginald

Name: HILLMAN, Reginald John
Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
County: Monmouthshire
Year of registration: 1906
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 298


or

Name: HILLMAN, Reginald
Registration district: Bedwellty
County: Monmouthshire
Year of registration: 1906
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 64

thanks Tempest,
Forence b 1875, daughter of Ann now a widow. Ann's husband Edward must have died since the birth of last child Adelaide in 1884.

Janice, sorry for appearing a bit slow here. Ellen b 1877 married in 1917, quite old, does this mean she married in Bristol to ??

and her marriage maybe?

Civil registration event: Marriage

Name: SAUNDERS, Martha Elizabeth
Registration district: Keynsham
County: Somerset
Year of registration: 1888
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 5C
Page no: 1161

MarriageFinder™: Martha Elizabeth Saunders married one of the following people

BRACEY, George
ISAACS, Martin Luther
CARPENTER, Elizabeth


1891 census

Address: High Street, Bitton, Oldland Common

ISAACS, Martin Luther Head Married M 22 1869 Shoemaker Bitton, Gloucestershire
ISAACS, Martha E Wife Married F 21 1870 Wiltshire
ISAACS, Ruth M Daughter F 0 (9M) 1891 Bitton, Gloucestershire


1901 census

Address: High Street, Bitton (Gloucs)

ISAACS, Martin Lither Head Married M 34 1867 Boot Maker Bitton, Gloucestershire
ISAACS, Martha E Wife Married F 32 1869 Crudwell, Wiltshire
ISAACS, Ruth M Daughter F 10 1891 Oldland, Gloucestershire
ISAACS, Ethel K Daughter F 9 1892 Oldland, Gloucestershire
ISAACS, Frederick F Son M 4 1897 Oldland, Gloucestershire
ISAACS, Hilda E Daughter F 2 1899 Oldland, Gloucestershire
ISAACS, Francis L S Son M 1 1900 Oldland, Gloucestershire
ISAACS, Albert Son M 0 (1 MOS) 1901 Oldland, Gloucestershire


1911 census

Address: 143 Oldland Common Bristol

ISAACS, Matin Luther Head Married23 years M 43 1868 Boot Maker Oldland Common Gloshire
ISAACS, Martha Elizabeth Wife Married F 41 1870 Oldland Common Gloshire
ISAACS, Ruth Minnie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Corset Maker Oldland Common Gloshire
ISAACS, Ethel Kate Daughter Single F 19 1892 Boot Machinist Oldland Common Gloshire
ISAACS, Frederick Stanley Son M 14 1897 Coro Boy Oldland Common Gloshire
ISAACS, Hilda Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1899 School Oldland Common Gloshire
ISAACS, Francis Luthrt Samuel Son M 11 1900 School Oldland Common Gloshire
ISAACS, Albert Martin Son M 10 1901 School Oldland Common Gloshire
ISAACS, Grace Marion Daughter F 5 1906 School Oldland Common Gloshire
ISAACS, Ivy Dorothy Daughter F 1 1910 Oldland Common Gloshire

thats great Tempest,
I presume in the 1901 census, the mother is now a widow so her husband Edward/Edwin passed away sometime after the birth of his last child Adelaide b 1884. also Florence has two girls.....Elise and Cissie.

janice, sorry for being a bit dumb here. Ellen married in 1917 to?

I suspect this is "Elizabeth's" birth

Civil registration event: Birth

Name: SAUNDERS, Martha Elizabeth
Registration district: Malmesbury
County: Wiltshire
Year of registration: 1869
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 5A
Page no: 47

I know some of these are posted above but just to get my head focussed here

looking at the family on censuses to get a better idea of names/ places of birth

1871 census

Address: Gaston, Westport, Malmesbury

SAUNDERS, Edwin Head M 22 1849 Wiltshire
SAUNDERS, Ann Wife F 27 1844 Wiltshire
SAUNDERS, Martha Daughter F 2 1869 Wiltshire
SAUNDERS, Henry Son M 0 1871 Hampshire


1881 census

Address: ?, Bradford On Avon

SAUNDERS, Edwin Head Married M 33 1848 Carter Crudwell, Wiltshire
SAUNDERS, Ann Wife Married F 40 1841 Malmesbury, Wiltshire
SAUNDERS, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar Crudwell, Wiltshire
SAUNDERS, Henry Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar Woodchester Park, Gloucestershire
SAUNDERS, Florence Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Westport, Wiltshire
SAUNDERS, Ellen Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar Nags Head Avening, Gloucestershire


1891 census

Address: North Common, Bitton, North Common

SAUNDERS, Edward Head Married M 42 1849 Coal Miner Crudwell, Wiltshire
SAUNDERS, Ann Wife Married F 49 1842 Malmesbury, Wiltshire
SAUNDERS, Florence Daughter Single F 17 1874 Stay Fanning Malmesbury, Wiltshire
SAUNDERS, Ellen Daughter Single F 14 1877 Stay Fanning Avening, Gloucestershire
SAUNDERS, Annie Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Bitton, Gloucestershire
SAUNDERS, Adelaide Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar Bitton, Gloucestershire


>>edit just to add 1901 census

Address: Private House, North Common, Bitton (Gloucs)

SAUNDERS, Edwin F Head Married M 51 1850 Pit Timber Man Crudwell, Wiltshire
SAUNDERS, Ann Wife Married F 56 1845 Malmesbury, Wiltshire
SAUNDERS, Adelaide Victoria Daughter F 16 1885 Boot Machinist North Common, Gloucestershire

What do you think of this one for Ellen? I think she's Ellen Elizabeth born Q4 1876.

Marriages Mar 1917
Arthur Robert W Saunders Bristol 6a 62
Saunders Ellen E Arthur Bristol 6a 62

Well done tempest! It's a big trawl you're doing here!!

Marriage transcript details Civil registration event: Marriage

Name: HILLMAN, Isaac
Registration district: Pontypridd
County: Glamorganshire
Year of registration: 1897
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 955

MarriageFinder™: Isaac Hillman married one of the following people

LAKE, Maggie
SAUNDERS, Annie Florence
GOODWIN, Edward



possibility on 1901 census

Address: 13, Ynysgan Street, Ystradyfodwg

HILMAN, Isaac Head Married M 34 1867 Coal Miner Hewer Blaina, Monmouthshire
HILMAN, Florence Wife Married F 26 1875 Malmesbury, Gloucestershire
HILMAN, Elsie Daughter F 1 1900 Ystrad, Glamorganshire
HILMAN, Ann Mother Widow F 63 1838 Cadbury, Gloucestershire
THOMAS, Mary Niece F 7 1894 Blaina, Monmouthshire
TAUSSAINT, Alexander Boarder Married M 50 1851 Seaman & Coal Miner Labourer Below Ground Grenada St George W Indies British Subj (Colowred)


1911 census

Address: 13 Shop Row Coalbrookvale Nantyglo Mon

HILLMAN, Isaac Head Married13 years M 44 1867 Coal Miner Hewer Blaina Monmouth
HILLMAN, Florence Wife Married F 37 1874 Malmsbury Wilts
HILLMAN, Elsie E Daughter F 11 1900 Glamorgan Ystead
HILLMAN, Cissie D Daughter F 6 1905 Monmouth Blaina
HILLMAN, Reggienald Son M 5 1906 Monmouth Blaina
HILLMAN, Clifford Son M 2 1909 Monmouth Coalbrook
HARFORD, Mary Jane Servant Single F 16 1895 Monmouth Blaina

hello Reggie,
I have googled their names, i might have more success if i knew their married name. scouring the marriage records. I have no idea at the moment where they lived. The parents moved to South Wales with the youngest daughter Adelaide.

If you have any idea of location, try the local newspaper for the area - check if they have an archivist

You could also google the possible name(s) for the murderess

who they married and if one of them was a murderer. The family story is that one of them murdered her two children and was sentenced to death. Her excuse was that she suffered blackouts and could not remember the devilis deed. Whilst in prison awaiting sentence she suffered several of these blackouts, thus the death sentence was reduced to life.

hmmmm quite a fanciful tale.