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Penny -- would be nice to know if we may have managed to help solve

the enigma

Mavis

definate possibilty Mavis. marriage certificate may take a bit of time to get to me in Australia..but think I will have to wait until then. I will post any info I find. far too many Adas in and around London....to really know for sure

Then perhaps this is her with a misspelt surname

Ada Thompson
Birth Date: 28 Oct 1906
Date of Registration: Dec 1993
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Register Number: F45
District and Subdistrict: 2411F
Entry number: 261

that is in line with the Shoreditch birth -- Dec Q 1906

Mavis

Mavis
very sure that Ada of Kelmscott road is not my grandmother as sure she was alive after 1960 ( the year I was born) as she had stayed with us after that. I have sent for her marriage certificate and hopefully that might help with identifying her date of birth to be able to wittle it down a bit. thanks for your efforts
Penny

1959 - 1960
56 Kelmscott Road

Annie Firminger
Charles Firminger
Ada Thomson [Miss]

Mavis

Penny , there we are a few more clues from you -------------

Death
Ada Thomson 56y Jun Q 1960 Wandsworth 5d 604 -- I would say could be the Dec 1906 one ??

Probate
Thomson Ada died 7 Apr 1960 of 56 Kelmscott Road ,Battersea spinster !!

died in " Hostel of God" 30 North side , Clapham Common

to married woman Annie Firminger £394 - 8s - 0p

if you Google Hostel of God you can find info on it and there are records aswell
in Lambeth

Mavis

This could be Joseph's death - I know you're not really interested in him, but am posing anyway

Joseph Skinner Thomson
Birth Date: 15 Jul 1904
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1978
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 11
Page: 1347

Just realised, Mavis has already given these details!

Mavis
to answer your question in regard to whether Ada was alive in 1945... I know for certain that Ada did not die in 1945 because I have records of her visiting my dad in 1955 when he was 18 and also my mum says she stayed with us when I was young although I can not remember (so most likely before age 5) and I was born in 1960. we left England in 1969 and I am sure she was also alive then.
I think she had a terribly difficult life and am growing more and more interested each day. .thanks again

Mavis
sorry just saw your latest post. yes Joseph thomson's middle name was Skinner ( found that on the children's home documents). He was also from Scotland and was married to someone else apparently at the same time as my grandmother....but I thought it was someone in Scotland I believe...but not 100% sure and yes he was jailed for two years for bigamy and again..I do not know what happened to Ada at that time but I know she did visit my dad in the children's home.... you are amazing at this...thankyou for all this information...you definately have the right joseph thomson. Although my main interest is Ada Weaver and Jessie as they are blood relatives it is interesting to find out all this extra information. I am hoping the marriage certificate will help me further and have considered contacting Jessie although this is delicate as you can imagine. I am however travelling to London at the end of the year and will visit the London Archives to follow up further. I only have limited time so is there any suggestions on the best way to approach my search there....and do they have asistants to help. Also... I know Ada spent time in Hospitals and Salvation Army places between around 1935 and 1942 and would always be around London, Kent, Southwark, St Lukes. I dont think she ever went anywhere else. I have also seen the census 1911 that Janice has stated above and do wonder if perhaps Ada herself was in care or hospital during that time??? I know she must have struggled a lot and still remains a mystery to me.
thanks to everyones help I know I am etching closer to finding her and discovery more about who she was. sooooo grateful :-)

thankyou everyone for your input. I am attempting to contact Jesie to see if she is Ada's daughter and if so if she has further information. I am also applying for for the marriage certificate as suggested by most of you. ....thankyou...it has spurred me on to continue my search

A possibility?

Name: Ada Weaver
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, England
Civil parish: Alton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: The Lord Mayor Treloar Cripples Home And College, Alton, Hants
Registration district: Alton
Registration District Number: 108
Sub-registration district: Alton
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 6221

Lots of people die in Camberwell because that's where King's College Hospital is.

Hello Penny , been researching more { I hope } on Joseph S Thomson, found a Joseph Skinner Thomson died in Camberwell - not far from the Lambeth/Southwark area that Ada and Joseph S Thomson lived - he died in 1978 DoB 15th July 1904

had a search for him in birth indexes - not found - lot of Thomson people are born Scotland- found him - born 15th July 1904 at 14 Frialite St. Kirkcaldy, Abbotshall , Fife. parents
James Thomson - Linoleum printer - and Jessie Logan Thomson --nee Skinner
they married in Dysart 31st dec 1891.

did a search for an Ada Weaver around 1904 found these 2

Ada Weaver Dec Q 1906 Shoreditch - next to St Luke area

Ada Weaver Sep Q 1907 Sevenoaks [Kent]

not spotted either 1911

3 marriages for a Joseph S Thomson

1924 Kensington to Florence Palmer -Phillips

1938 Southwark to Ada Weaver

1945 Southend [Essex] to Rose M Dodson

this is the Rose M that Appears with Joseph S Thomson in Lambeth electoral roll if all the same Joseph S did Ada die before 1945, well Ada and Joseph are at Newington Butts 1945 none 1946 then 1947 Rose and Joseph S., Claverdale Road ?? has Joseph committed Bigamy ??? or more than one Joseph S Thomson.

more reseaching to do anyone want to help find Ada

Mavis

thankyou everyone. I am going to organise certifcates for more information and will consider getting in touch with Jessie...have to be cautious with that though
thanks again

Yes Jude, I agree. I think the original assumption for birth is wrong but we've missed picking up on the fact that it came from the 1901 census with nothing to back it up.

Lets hope the marriage cert doesn't take too long!

Flip - it was the way I was leaning to....the child in 1901 HAS to be Annie Ellen ..there is an Ada born in 1896 but that was in Lewes.

After re-reading your posts have just realised, you based the year of birth for Ada on the 1901 census you found - so we have no way of knowing if this is correct. She could have been born much later and not be on any census.

I thought she seemed a bit old to have her first child in 1937 (although not impossible), and lets face it, when we were young everyone seemed old!!

The marriage certificate will give an age for both her and husband, so we may be able to get a bit further with birth and death once we know that. Get in touch with Jessie, you've nothing to loose, and if she's the right one she may be able to give you the info you are looking for.

atb
Flip

No Penny I agree with you that Ada and Annie Ellen are not one and the same person. But I am convinced that the family is the correct one. So where was Annie Ellen in 1901 and where is Ada in 1911. Quite simply there is not the option as far as I can tell that we have two separate families....it would be an enormous coincidence for there to be two James W born in Bow and two Alices born in Ireland to be two separate couples. Add to that they each had a son James born in 1890 :-S

If you're ordering the marriage cert it may be worth getting the 1942 birth as well, your father may have a half brother as well as the sister you already know about.

When I answered your message about Jessie, I forgot to mention some London ER's are on Ancestry, that is where Mavis got her info, but they only go to early 1960s and you had to be 21 to vote, so the chid or children would not show up.

Leonard ( my dad) was and always has been Weaver. He was born before Ada met Joseph. my dad was in children's homes most of his life as both of them moved around a lot as times were tough. they lived in a lot of different places but usually around london. I am going to request a copy of their marriage certificate but will take a while as has to come to Australia. I agree that the census are a bit confusing as I am fairly sure that my Ada is not Annie. She....as far as I know has never been known as anything but Ada. thanks so much everyone :-)